Announcement

Collapse

Forum Rules (Everyone Must Read!!!)

1] What you CAN NOT post.

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this forum to post any material which is:
- abusive
- vulgar
- hateful
- harassing
- personal attacks
- obscene

You also may not:
- post images that are too large (max is 500*500px)
- post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or cited properly.
- post in UPPER CASE, which is considered yelling
- post messages which insult the Armenians, Armenian culture, traditions, etc
- post racist or other intentionally insensitive material that insults or attacks another culture (including Turks)

The Ankap thread is excluded from the strict rules because that place is more relaxed and you can vent and engage in light insults and humor. Notice it's not a blank ticket, but just a place to vent. If you go into the Ankap thread, you enter at your own risk of being clowned on.
What you PROBABLY SHOULD NOT post...
Do not post information that you will regret putting out in public. This site comes up on Google, is cached, and all of that, so be aware of that as you post. Do not ask the staff to go through and delete things that you regret making available on the web for all to see because we will not do it. Think before you post!


2] Use descriptive subject lines & research your post. This means use the SEARCH.

This reduces the chances of double-posting and it also makes it easier for people to see what they do/don't want to read. Using the search function will identify existing threads on the topic so we do not have multiple threads on the same topic.

3] Keep the focus.

Each forum has a focus on a certain topic. Questions outside the scope of a certain forum will either be moved to the appropriate forum, closed, or simply be deleted. Please post your topic in the most appropriate forum. Users that keep doing this will be warned, then banned.

4] Behave as you would in a public location.

This forum is no different than a public place. Behave yourself and act like a decent human being (i.e. be respectful). If you're unable to do so, you're not welcome here and will be made to leave.

5] Respect the authority of moderators/admins.

Public discussions of moderator/admin actions are not allowed on the forum. It is also prohibited to protest moderator actions in titles, avatars, and signatures. If you don't like something that a moderator did, PM or email the moderator and try your best to resolve the problem or difference in private.

6] Promotion of sites or products is not permitted.

Advertisements are not allowed in this venue. No blatant advertising or solicitations of or for business is prohibited.
This includes, but not limited to, personal resumes and links to products or
services with which the poster is affiliated, whether or not a fee is charged
for the product or service. Spamming, in which a user posts the same message repeatedly, is also prohibited.

7] We retain the right to remove any posts and/or Members for any reason, without prior notice.


- PLEASE READ -

Members are welcome to read posts and though we encourage your active participation in the forum, it is not required. If you do participate by posting, however, we expect that on the whole you contribute something to the forum. This means that the bulk of your posts should not be in "fun" threads (e.g. Ankap, Keep & Kill, This or That, etc.). Further, while occasionally it is appropriate to simply voice your agreement or approval, not all of your posts should be of this variety: "LOL Member213!" "I agree."
If it is evident that a member is simply posting for the sake of posting, they will be removed.


8] These Rules & Guidelines may be amended at any time. (last update September 17, 2009)

If you believe an individual is repeatedly breaking the rules, please report to admin/moderator.
See more
See less

Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army soldiers in Surp Amenaprkich Ghazanchetsots Cathedral in Shushi




    Last edited by burjuin; 03-06-2014, 07:09 AM.

    Comment


    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      Comment


      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Armenian Army







        Comment


        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Originally posted by Aslanov View Post
          They are probably renovated rather than modernized,
          "Capital Repair" are what they are calling it and with better upgraded electronic targeting and navigational systems. Renovation is really not an aviation term to an aircraft. Upgrading usually involves modifications to that existing system so it can fall under modernized......you can renovate the interior upholstery of a private business jet.

          the STM modernization suggested here can be actually recognized, and that would apply to any deep modernization.
          Don't understand what you mean here....what is STM

          And 24 attack choppers? 18 helicopters in total, with mix of Mi-8 and Mi-24s.
          From the article itself it talks about around two dozens within a year.

          The Russian military also plans to beef up the base with around two dozen combat helicopters later this year. It said in January that they will have “a wide range of tasks in aviation support for troops and transportation of personnel.”

          The helicopters are to be deployed at the Erebuni airfield in line with an agreement reached by Russian and Armenian defense officials in April 2013. The Armenian government gave the formal green light to the deployment in November.
          Why Russia needs combat choppers there? It is a big operation to keep all those choppers and their crew ready for duty, not to mention all ground support equipment's.
          B0zkurt Hunter

          Comment


          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            I m saying that they probably havent received any deep modernization, which could be apparent from the outside. Such as STM, which is anupgrade package. Are you sure thst its correct? All the statements talk about 18 helicopters, like said with mix of Mi-8 and Mi-24.
            Last edited by Aslanov; 03-06-2014, 09:43 PM.

            Comment


            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

              Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post


              Why Russia needs combat choppers there? It is a big operation to keep all those choppers and their crew ready for duty, not to mention all ground support equipment's.
              My guess is to have their own transport system for their troops, around armenia. Also, they could be useful if war breaks out.

              Comment


              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                Originally posted by Aslanov View Post
                I m saying that they probably havent received any deep modernization,
                Agreed....it is still the same GEN 4 jet....all they have done is the necessary inspections/repairs with the aircraft skin pulled back (this is normal Depot work that comes along certain airframe flight hours) and added new updated weapon system.

                which could be apparent from the outside.
                No.....in fact for "deep modernization" that you say the only things you will see on the outside of the aircraft would be pods, radar domes, new antennas, and such things that actually create more drag then enhance the flight performance of the aircraft such as that STM mod.
                Most modernization you will find in military and civil aircraft are internal and not noticed/visible from outside......in fact the military aircraft are designed as a platform with future modifications in mind and sometimes it can make it as easy as switching couple of black boxes without extensive rewiring of that system (Ex. nav, com, transponder, radar, weapons system avionics, targeting system, jamming systems, etc...the list is endless.

                Any permanent changes to an existing airframe design (like the F4 V tail) is a retrofit (re-design) and very visible.....aerodynamics

                Are you sure thst its correct? All the statements talk about 18 helicopters, like said with mix of Mi-8 and Mi-24.
                Not sure....things get said and change in time by govs so who know......maybe like Ara says which makes sense.
                B0zkurt Hunter

                Comment


                • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                  Originally posted by berjuin


                  the only thing better than an AK is a blessed AK....
                  Last edited by Eddo211; 03-06-2014, 11:32 PM.
                  B0zkurt Hunter

                  Comment


                  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    Azerbaijan’s military vehicle hits mine on front line

                    [ 07 March 2014 11:55 ]
                    Baku. Hafiz Heydarov – APA. A military vehicle has hit a mine in Azerbaijan.

                    APA reports that it happened in the military unit in Sederek region of Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic. Ural truck was destroyed as it hit a mine on the front line.

                    The driver of the vehicle, extended serviceman Novruz Zeynalov was wounded.

                    Zeynalov has been hospitalized.
                    apa.az

                    Comment


                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Japan Deal Scrapped, Turkey Looking for Tank Engine
                      Mar. 5, 2014 - 03:45AM |
                      By BURAK EGE BEKDIL | Comments



                      Turkish army tanks take part in a parade marking the 91st anniversary of Victory Day in Ankara in Aug. 2013. Turkey's talks with Japan for an engine for the Altay tank broke down because of Turkish intentions to export the indigenous tank and Japan's reluctance to license the joint engine, a Turkish official said. (Adem Altan/AFP via Getty Images)
                      Filed Under
                      World News
                      Asia & Pacific Rim

                      ANKARA — Turkey’s months-long negotiations with Japan’s Mitsubishi Heavy Industries for joint development and production of an engine for the Altay, a planned indigenous Turkish tank, have failed largely due to the Japanese government’s near total ban on arms exports.

                      Turkey’s procurement and industry officials had been in talks with Mitsubishi since last year to co-produce an engine to power the Altay, a new generation main battle tank being developed by Turkish armored vehicles manufacturer Otokar.

                      “Such a deal has gone off our agenda,” Murad Bayar, Turkey’s chief procurement official. “We have agreed with Japanese officials to focus on other areas of cooperation [in defense].”

                      Japan, which renounced the right to wage war in its postwar constitution, effectively banned arms exports in 1967. Under new guidelines being developed by Japan’s government, exports would be approved by the Trade Ministry if they were judged to serve peaceful missions or if joint development of a weapon was deemed to enhance national security.

                      Talks with Japan for an engine for the Altay broke down because of Turkish intentions to export the indigenous tank and Japan’s reluctance to license the joint engine, a senior Turkish procurement official said.

                      A Japanese diplomatic source declined to comment. One Turkish industry source dealing with Mitsubishi confirmed that the deal was off the agenda.

                      The procurement official said Turkey would seek new options to develop the engine with foreign know-how.

                      “New ideas will emerge quickly, we hope. This is going to be a promising, large market when you think of the indigenous tank program,” he said.

                      Turkey plans to initially build a batch of 250 tanks, with scores of follow-on orders.

                      Since the mid-1990s, Turkey has been looking for a suitable engine for the Altay. In 2008, Japan announced that it would manufacture its own tank — and an engine to power it — to protect its homeland against a North Korean invasion.

                      If it went ahead, the Turkish-Japanese plan would have marked an historic departure from Turkey’s traditional engine supplier, MTU of Germany. Sources say the Germans have been reluctant to share critical engine technology and also have been skeptical about any potential future export licenses for the Altay.

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      X