Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[arakeretzig]

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To be honest i am getting sick of the lack of real response to these dirty azeri games. Where is the "tough response" promised for the axe murder? The numerous sniper killing of soldiers and civilians? The downing of the chopper? All i hear is talk and nothing more from the government and the army but nothing is done and this is what prompts the azeris to keep killing our people since there is no punishment for it. If they kill our boys we need to kill many times more of theirs..there is no seize fire anymore and we need to confront the new reality for what it is. I am not ok with our boys dying like this as if they are being used for target practice. The person ordering the reckless move of a flyby needs to be held accountable. Our army has long been one of our strengths but it is starting to become sitting duck used for shooting practice by the azeris and this is unacceptable. If they are this close to the line of contact then blast the crap out of them with artillery.

I stopped hoping for such responses long ago. This state's foreign policy is too tied to that of Russia's interests. Serjik can't do much without Moscow's approval. Another way to look at it, if there was no Russia, there would definitely have been another war.

[ArmeniaSacra]

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I stopped hoping for such responses long ago. This state's foreign policy is too tied to that of Russia's interests. Serjik can't do much without Moscow's approval. Another way to look at it, if there was no Russia, there would definitely have been another war.

Agreed my brother...but let's also not forget that if there was no Russia, turkish intervention could have changed all the equations in the region. Geography has always been against us...we need overcome this weakness through more active diplomatic games on one hand and more painful responses on the other...

[Chubs]

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23 years have passed since Armenians shot down military helicopter with Azerbaijani political elite on board - COMPLETE LIST OF VICTIMS

[ 20 November 2014 00:00 ]
Baku - APA. Today is the anniversary of one of the most tragic events in Azerbaijan's history of independence.

23 years have passed since the Armenian terrorists shot down helicopter MI-8 near the Garakend village of Khodjavand District on November 20, 1991, APAreports.

22 people - State Secretary Tofig Ismayilov, Deputy Prime Minister Zulfu Hajiyev, State Advisor, former Interior Minister Mahammad Asadov, Prosecutor General Ismat Gayibov, parliamentarians Vagif Jafarov and Vali Mammadov, Department Chief of the President’s Office Osman Mirzayev, First Deputy Minister of International Affairs of Kazakhstan S. Serikov, employee of Azerbaijan State TV and Radio Ali Mustafayev and others were killed as a result of the tragedy.

We remind victims of “Mi-8” helicopter crash took place on November 20, 1991:

- Tofig Ismailov Kazim oglu Secretary of State, Azerbaijan
- Ismat Gayibov Ismayil oglu Public Prosecutor General, Azerbaijan
- Mahammad Asadov Nabi oglu State Advisor, Azerbaijan
- Zulfi Hajiyev Saleh oglu Deputy Prime Minister, Azerbaijan
- Vagif Jafarov Jafar oglu Member of Parliament, Azerbaijan
- Vali Mammadov Huseyn oglu Member of Parliament, Azerbaijan
- Osman Mirzayev Mirza Huseyn oglu Head of Presidential Administration, Azerbaijan
- Gurban Namazaliyev Huseyn oglu Deputy Prime Minister of --Amelioration and Water Management, Azerbaijan
- Igor Aleksandrovich Plavski Public Prosecutor of Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast (NKAO), Azerbaijan
- Vladimir Vladimirovich Kovalyov Head of Ministry of Internal Affairs of NKAO, Azerbaijan
- Sergey Semyonovich Ivanov Head of department of National Security Ministry, NKAO, Azerbaijan
- Nikolay Vladimirovich Jinkin Commandant for Emergency Situations of NKAO, Azerbaijan
- Sanlal Dasumovich Serikov Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs, Kazakhstan
- Mikhail Dmitriyevich Lukashov MVD, Major General, Russia
- Oleg Nikolayevich Kocherev MVD, Lieutenant Colonel, Russia
- Rafig Mammadov Mammad oglu Aide to Secretary of State, Azerbaijan
- Ali Mustafayev Mustafa oglu Journalist, Azerbaijani State TV[9]
- Arif Huseynzadeh Ismail oglu Lights technician, Azerbaijani State TV
- Fakhraddin Shahbazov Ibrahim oglu Cameraman, Azerbaijani State TV
- Vyacheslav Vladimirovich Kotov Commander of helicopter crew
- Gennadiy Vladimirovich Domov Member of the helicopter crew
- Dmitry Borisovich Yarovenko Member of the helicopter crew


http://en.apa.az/xeber_23_years_have...ho_219218.html

Ladies and gentlemen, Azerbaijani whataboutism in practice!


Here is an armeniaball comic to lighten the mood after this tragedy:

[Mher]

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P.S> Perhaps you forgot a long video was made out in honor of the guy who shot Mubariz i watched the video and how u all praised him ON THIS FORUM . So dont be a hypocrite .

A video was made in honor of someone who stopped an incursion?
I know your critical thinking skills might not be that highly developed, but please tell if you find any discrepancies between being praised for killing someone that has invaded your territory in middle of the night and killing someone in their sleep at a peace conference or shooting down an unarmed helicopter flying parallel in middle of the day

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Mardakert_skirmishes

[Mher]

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Azeris to Boost Defense Spending Amid Risk of Armenia War
By Zulfugar Agayev Nov 19, 2014 3:35 AM PT

Azerbaijan, the third-largest oil producer in the former Soviet Union, will look past falling crude prices and increase military spending by more than a quarter next year as tensions escalate with neighboring Armenia.

Defense outlays will grow 27 percent to 3.8 billion manat ($4.8 billion), exceeding Armenia’s total budget spending of $3.2 billion, Finance Minister Samir Sharifov said today.

“Azerbaijan’s armed forces need better equipment as Armenia continues its occupation policy in defiance of international law,” Sharifov said today, according to state news service Azartac.

Armenia took over Azerbaijan’s predominantly ethnic Armenian-populated region of Nagorno-Karabakh and seven adjacent districts in a war after the Soviet breakup in 1991. More than 30,000 people were killed and 1.2 million displaced before Russia brokered a cease-fire in 1994.

Tensions escalated last week when Azerbaijan shot down what it said was an Armenian military helicopter east of Nagorno-Karabakh, killing three crew members. It was the first time an aircraft was downed in the conflict zone in the past 20 years. Armenia vowed to retaliate.

More than 20 people were killed on both sides in August when skirmishes along the heavily militarized cease-fire line turned the deadliest since 1994.

Azerbaijan, buoyed by more than $50 billion of investments by BP Plc (BP/) and partners in its energy projects, has promised to use military force to regain control of the territory if peace talks mediated by France, Russia and the U.S. fail.

Azerbaijan plans to spend $3.8 billion on its army this year, up from $3.6 billion in 2013 and $3 billion in 2012.

While Azeri President Ilham Aliyev has met his Armenian counterpart Serzh Sargsyan twice in the past three months, the two leaders failed to narrow their differences.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-19/azeris-to-boost-defense-spending-amid-risk-of-armenia-war.html

lol oil prices collapsing, oil reserves running out?
let's donate another billion to the Aliyev fund

[Ak105]

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What happened to china? Are we still buying weapons from them?

[Chubs]

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What happened to china? Are we still buying weapons from them?

No, we are not. China doesn't really export its domestic weapons, especially to countries out of its region.

What I want to know is, what kind of variant T72s we get? If those T72s are from the Russian army, and they cost around 1.5 million each, I am willing to bet they are equipped with Kontakt-5, although this is just speculation of course. Since half of Russia's T72 fleet is equipped with kontakt-5 ERA (Their active fleet).

Then there are the BTRs, although they seem cheaper than a BMP-2, so I am going to assume many of them are standard.

So, that puts Armenia's BTR count at around, 160 correct?

[Mher]

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What happened to china? Are we still buying weapons from them?

No, we are not. China doesn't really export its domestic weapons, especially to countries out of its region.

Armenia has the AR1A, an advanced multiple launch rocket system, produced by China, developed based on the Smerch.

http://www.azatutyun.am/content/article/25080110.html

http://www.armstrade.org/files/obrazecglava4.pdf

[Mher]

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Azeri Soldier Killed As Baku Rebuffs Mediators



Emil Danielyan եւ Sargis Harutyunyan

Հրապարակված է՝ 20.11.2014

An Azerbaijani soldier was reportedly killed on Thursday in fresh ceasefire violations in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict zone that followed last week’s downing of an Armenian combat helicopter.

The Defense Ministry in Baku said the 19-year-old conscript, Rustam Azizov, was shot dead by Armenian forces while on frontline duty. It did not specify whether the “shootout with the enemy” took place on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border or “the line of contact” around Karabakh.

The conflicting parties suffer the vast majority of their combat casualties on the heavily militarized Karabakh frontline. Both sides say that truce violations there have intensified since Azerbaijani forces shot down the Armenian Mi-24 helicopter on November 12. With the Armenian side pledging retaliation, the incident heightened fears of a renewed war.

Later on Thursday, the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry rejected international mediators’ calls for Baku to allow the Armenian military to recover the bodies of the helicopter’s three crew members from its wreckage lying in the no man’s land east of Karabakh. The ministry protested against the use of the phrase “humanitarian access” in a statement that was issued by the U.S., Russian and French co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group on Wednesday.

“Wordings like ‘cease firing in that territory’ and ‘demine the area surrounding the site’ are baseless and serve the interests of the Armenian side,” read a ministry statement cited by Azerbaijani news agencies. “That will become possible only in one case: if the armed forces of Armenia are fully and unconditionally withdrawn from the occupied territories.”

Another senior Azerbaijani official, deputy parliament speaker Ziyafet Askerov, described the co-chairs’ appeal as “provocative” and “illogical.”

In Yerevan, meanwhile, Defense Minister Seyran Ohanian did not rule out the possibility of Armenian military action to gain access to the helicopter’s wreckage reportedly located less than 200 meters from Azerbaijani army positions. He stressed at same the time that the Armenian side still hopes to “solve the issue through diplomatic means.”

“There are also other options. But for now we are concentrating on a diplomatic solution,” Ohanian told reporters.

http://www.azatutyun.am/content/article/26701948.html

[Haykakan]

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I have a perfect solution for your patience sir, Grab an AK47 put on a camo bullet west and storm those Turks !! Instead of wasting Bandwidth here , sir

Would love to. Even an old man like me has balls to go turkey hunting and that is why we won. I do not want war but it is upon us regardless of what we want.