Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Tsov]

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Wiki says armenia uses soltam k6 mortars, is this true? Any proof?

Does this maybe look like a soltam?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeQm5A1MBIM&list=UUqWIeHvR-DhdD4P2r1rbLkw#t=39

[Mher]

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heres the best part of the article,does anyone know if that figure would be higher or lower today?considering the current prices economic sanctions

Some of the worst damage was felt by the State Oil Fund of the Republic of Azerbaijan, which lost $1 billion in export revenue while the line was shut down, according to Jamala Aliyeva, a spokeswoman for the fund.

The figure would probably be considerable less today. Their daily output is about the same, but oil is worth less than half now of what it was worth in 2008.


I always wondered why Armenians didn't do more in terms of this pipelines in Javakh? It doesn't have to be of this sophistication. The Armenian government could easily set something up in Javakh through local Armenians. The idea of causing a billion dollars or more in revenue that will otherwise end up in weapons and bullets used against Armenia seems rather logical.

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That's great.
Even Armenia has threatened on numerous occasions to blow the pipeline including other facilities so the stoppage would be catastrophic for Azerbaijan.
What’s more no interested party has said “don't you dare”.

My comment was, an old factual event was regurgitated in the form of clumsy propaganda.
By the way the internet is flooded with such propaganda.

Our job here is, (in this forum) to put to the test through debate in good faith.
That is all I was doing.

PS I still do not know who did it, but I am glad they did it.

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exactly,we have the Mingachevir dam and those pipelines waiting to be blown in case of war

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The figure would probably be considerable less today. Their daily output is about the same, but oil is worth less than half now of what it was worth in 2008.


I always wondered why Armenians didn't do more in terms of this pipelines in Javakh? It doesn't have to be of this sophistication. The Armenian government could easily set something up in Javakh through local Armenians. The idea of causing a billion dollars or more in revenue that will otherwise end up in weapons and bullets used against Armenia seems rather logical.

That javakh idea is a good one,i mean what is the diaspora for,only for telethons lol? they can contribute by sabotaging them pipelines,but its kinda risky considering our ties with georgia will be damaged

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I wonder what happened with this deal?we denied it at the time and we havent seen it in any excericises either,hopefully we will see them uragans,Ar1a and smerch in 2016 parade.

Azerbaijan Deplores Reported Armenian Arms Acquisition From Moldova

A BM-27 Uragan (Hurricane) multiple-launch rocket system (file photo)

October 17, 2011

YEREVAN -- Azerbaijan has expressed concern over Armenia's reported purchase from Moldova last month of rockets and other weaponry worth millions of dollars, saying that it will complicate a peaceful resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, RFE/RL's Armenian Service reports.

Elnur Aslanov, head of an analytical unit in Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev's administration, described on October 14 this purchase and other arms acquisitions by Yerevan as "destabilizing factors" in the region.

"The policy on Nagorno-Karabakh pursued by Armenia testifies to the destructive position of that state in the region," Russian and Azerbaijani media outlets quoted Alsanov as saying. "Any arms acquisition, any increase in the number of weapons in the region, certainly does not lay the groundwork for establishing peace and stability and, on the contrary, impedes that."


Aslanov was commenting on reports that large quantities of weapons and ammunition were brought from Moldova to Armenia by an Armenian cargo plane on September 13-14.

Armenian Deputy Foreign Minister Shavarsh Kocharian dismissed the Azerbaijani protests as "aggressive whining."

"And this is natural because Baku has to explain to its own people where the billions [of dollars], which are constantly trumpeted about from various podiums [by the Azerbaijani government] and is supposed to have been spent on military procurements, have ended up and why its policy of military blackmail in [peace] negotiations has failed," Kocharian said in a statement on October 14.

According to reports in the Moldovan media, the secret arms deal was formalized this summer through a Latvian intermediary firm, Latspetsexport. The government of Moldova has confirmed that information, which sparked a political scandal in the former Soviet republic late last month.

The Moldovan news agency Omega last week claimed to have obtained copies of the Chisinau government's contracts with Latspetsexport worth $3.3 million. It said they envisage the sale of several types of Soviet-made antitank and other rocket systems along with thousands of pieces of ammunition.

That allegedly included a dozen BM-27 Uragan (Hurricane) multiple-launch rocket systems that have a firing range of up to 35 kilometers. "According to authorities in Moldova, some of these weapons have already been shipped to Armenia," Omega reported.

Official Yerevan has declined to deny or confirm the reports.

"In the interests of national security, details regarding the quantity and types of weapons and the party selling them are not subject to publication," Davit Karapetian, the Armenian Defense Ministry spokesman, said on September 23.

The Azerbaijani government reacted negatively to the reported arms deliveries. Moldovan Ambassador to Azerbaijan Igor Bodiu was summoned to the Foreign Ministry in Baku to provide explanations. Bodiu afterwards described the deal as an "unfortunate mistake" that damaged his country's relations with Azerbaijan.

Moldova and Azerbaijan are part of the GUAM grouping of four ex-Soviet states which has acted as a counterweight to Russia in the larger Commonwealth of Independent States.

Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev was reported to have raised the matter with Moldovan Prime Minister Vlad Filat when the two met in Warsaw on the sidelines of a European Union summit on September 28. Filat was quoted as saying that he was invited to visit Baku "in order to continue the discussion."

Azerbaijan has spent billions of dollars in oil revenue to buy weapons which it hopes will enable it to eventually win back its breakaway region of Nagorno-Karabakh and other Armenian-controlled territory in Azerbaijan. It plans to boost military spending to $3.3 billion this year, up from $2.15 billion a year ago.

By comparison, Armenia's defense budget for 2011 is projected to reach some $400 million.

Armenia has sought to offset this spending gap mainly through close military ties with Russia that entitle it to receive Russian weapons at discount prices or even for free. A new Russian-Armenian defense agreement signed in August 2010 commits Moscow to helping Yerevan obtain "modern and compatible weaponry and [special] military hardware."

The Armenian military demonstrated some of its new weaponry, including S-300 air-defense systems, during a high-profile parade in Yerevan on September 21. It also for the first time put on display 9K72 surface-to-surface ballistic missiles that are known in the West as Scud-B.

[HyeFighter2]

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The Uragans is for Ukraine, but hopefully there is some Uragans in NKR.

[Tsov]

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That javakh idea is a good one,i mean what is the diaspora for,only for telethons lol? they can contribute by sabotaging them pipelines,but its kinda risky considering our ties with georgia will be damaged

Javakhk isn't diaspora, they're Armenians living in their homeland.

[londontsi]

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I always wondered why Armenians didn't do more in terms of this pipelines in Javakh? It doesn't have to be of this sophistication. The Armenian government could easily set something up in Javakh through local Armenians. The idea of causing a billion dollars or more in revenue that will otherwise end up in weapons and bullets used against Armenia seems rather logical.

Frankly disabling the pipeline for a few days or weeks is a very poor risk reward strategy specially in peace time.
Damaged gas pipeline for Azerbaijan is only a tactical loss. It would cost money and time to repair.
However for its gas customers it is of strategic importance.

The finger of suspicion would be pointing to Armenia and its special forces.
International bodies would be up in arms against Armenia
Population of Javakh would be viewed with suspicion.
Relations with Georgia would be strained.

All this against even for a billion loss to Azerbaijan is not worth it.
It would not bring Azerbaijan to its knees.

If we look further Armenia also has a pipeline running through Georgia.
Its counter loss would be a strategic loss to Armenia with dire consequences.

This is definitely not the place to play soldiers.

In war time its different.
We should concentrate on Azerbaijan.
Disable their gas revenue.
Also make sure it cannot be repaired while hostilities are on-going.

Even the threat of that would shudder the Sultan.


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.....It doesn't have to be of this sophistication. ....

The idea that it was a sophisticated (technologically) attack is contested.
There certainly is no proof.

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[burjuin]

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Armenian Army
IMR engineer obstacle clearing armoured vehicle

[Eddo211]

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Frankly disabling the pipeline for a few days or weeks is a very poor risk reward strategy specially in peace time.
Damaged gas pipeline for Azerbaijan is only a tactical loss. It would cost money and time to repair.
However for its gas customers it is of strategic importance.

The finger of suspicion would be pointing to Armenia and its special forces.
International bodies would be up in arms against Armenia
Population of Javakh would be viewed with suspicion.
Relations with Georgia would be strained.

All this against even for a billion loss to Azerbaijan is not worth it.
It would not bring Azerbaijan to its knees.

If we look further Armenia also has a pipeline running through Georgia.
Its counter loss would be a strategic loss to Armenia with dire consequences.

This is definitely not the place to play soldiers.

In war time its different.
We should concentrate on Azerbaijan.
Disable their gas revenue.
Also make sure it cannot be repaired while hostilities are on-going.

Even the threat of that would shudder the Sultan.


PS

The idea that it was a sophisticated (technologically) attack is contested.
There certainly is no proof.

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Absolutely true......taking out the pipeline now would be a big mistake, also Turkey depends on that oil more than it admits.

In case of retart of full war all it will take is for us take to out few pumping stations and prevent them from repairs.