Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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102nd military base of the Russian Armed Forces in Gyumri, Armenia. 988th air defense missile regiment

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The real "Azerbaijan" is in Iran. If you look at historical maps, Azerbaijan always has referred to the area in northwestern Iran. In 1918 was the first time the area above the Arax river came to be known as Azerbaijan when a bunch of tatars along with other clans decided they were in fact some ancient nation worthy of an independent nation. Before recent years of Azeri propaganda bullsh-t, these people were relatively well assimilated and part of the Iranian nation. The Supreme Leader who is basically an all powerful dictator is half Azeri. Same goes for many many key cultural, political, and economic figures.

Today there's about 15 million Azeris in Iran. In Iran we just called them Turks. And like Argin said theres a lot of bullsh-t that they are fed to create a separationist movement. They have practically turned games of Tractor Sazi, the main team in Tabriz (northern Iran's main city), into fascist nationalist war rallies.

PanTurkism Gray Wolves sign




"Southern Azerbaijan Isn't Iran"


little child force fed pan turkism bullsh-t


It's so utterly stupid considering the real "Azerbaijan" is in Iran and that many in the power apparatus of Iran are from Azeri origin. Lol How the hell can you claim "southern Azerbaijan" to be "returned" to you when it existed before you did. Lol and how the hell can you claim racial oppression from the power structure when many of those in power are of your race.

Anyway this is why Iran supports Armenia over Azerbaijan, the only other Shia dominant country in the world.

I am very happy that iran supports us, although I find it odd for a few reasons. We have two complete different religions and we hated each other throughout history. Anyways respect to Iran for being the only country in that entire regionthats friends with Armenia.

[Mher]

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Let's assume that Russia gives Azerbaijan the green light to wage war and do as it pleases. Let's imagine Azerbaijan, in return for subservience to Russia, takes advantage of the opportunity and conquers not only Karabakh, but all of modern day Armenia.

Can you please explain how fits into Russia's strategic interests? In such case, will Azerbaijan continue to bend over backwards for Russia?

Let's assume Pan Turan is created stretching from Istanbul to the Caspian, right on Russia's southern doorstep. Do you seriously image such a scenario befitting Russian interests.

And where does iran fit into all of these?

I didn't Russia would suddenly allow them to take all of Armenia, or even all of Artsakh for that matter. Azerbaijan may simply demand most of Artsakh, and Russia can play both sides of the conflict and limit the outcome as to make sure neither side goes too far.

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I didn't Russia would suddenly allow them to take all of Armenia, or even all of Artsakh for that matter. Azerbaijan may simply demand most of Artsakh, and Russia can play both sides of the conflict and limit the outcome as to make sure neither side goes too far.

I agree with you there that Russian policy is to play both sides against each other so as to keep both dependent on Russia. During the war, when one side had an advantage they began assisting the other. In this respect, there were indeed instances where armenian advances were halted due to not Azeris, but the Russian factor.

They don't want any one side to have a clear advantage over the other--they want both to be dependent on it. Let's also not forget that the main reason why armenia is so dependent on Russia is due the security risks posed by Turks.

If armenia lived in a neighborhood like Poland where u didn't have genocidal neighbors bent on ur destruction, then perhaps Armenia would view Russia in the same light as Poland, Moldova and the Baltic states.

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Iran and Armenia are ancient friends who go beyond religion......ancient conflicts are forgotten except by ultra-nationalists. The Mullahs know the real world history of Armenia and cannot be fooled.

Currently politically Iran is an ally of Armenia and relations are growing. In case of a war they will shutdown their border with NKR to prevent Azeri incursion from Iranian territory into Armenia and the Graywolfs in Tabriz chained up.

[Mher]

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I agree with you there that Russian policy is to play both sides against each other so as to keep both dependent on Russia. During the war, when one side had an advantage they began assisting the other. In this respect, there were indeed instances where armenian advances were halted due to not Azeris, but the Russian factor.

They don't want any one side to have a clear advantage over the other--they want both to be dependent on it. Let's also not forget that the main reason why armenia is so dependent on Russia is due the security risks posed by Turks.

If armenia lived in a neighborhood like Poland where u didn't have genocidal neighbors bent on ur destruction, then perhaps Armenia would view Russia in the same light as Poland, Moldova and the Baltic states.

Yeah I definitely agree, that's why Ukraine took all of these dangerous risks. Because even if everything goes wrong, economy collapses, they lose a lot of territory, they will still have more land and people than they know what to do with and get a start fresh. We don't have any of those options. If Armenia was surrounding by non hostile enemies we would have signed the Associates Agreement by now.

And I definitely agree in terms of Russia. That's why we have to strive to become economically strong enough where we can arm ourselves with a first class military to defend ourselves and not be the pathetic begger to whatever bigger power that seeks to take advantage of us while throwing us a few handouts. I look forward to the day Armenia can become a truly independent nation and stop needing others to decide if Armenia is worth saving. When we can retake all of the infrastructure given away to Russia all in the hopes that Russia decides to hold up its end if the dirty mongols ever attack.

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Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army

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102nd military base of the Russian Armed Forces in Gyumri, Armenia. 988th air defense missile regiment

Is this the first time Buks are shown in Armenia?

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Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army
Tactical demonstration exercises artillery battalion