Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

If you have been following the events around Karabagh as well as the position of Azerbaijan you should not have missed the fact that none of the above is likely to happen.

Azerbaijan was offered quite a lot of concessions at one of the International conferences, do not remember the place.
It declined to accept because they wanted (and want) all of Karabagh ........... OR NOTHING.

Therefore they will get NOTHING.

As recent events have shown, Azerbaijan flirts with the idea that they can achieve their goals through military means.
They have been unsuccessful.

However, to us it has shown the vulnerabilities of our borders the way they are, defence wise.

I think our political and military leaders' agenda should be that and nothing else.


PS.
No government can survive doing a U-turn on a 20 year position regarding a state doctrine.
The Sultan will not do a U-turn now. Only .... maybe in his grave.

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I think it was the 2007 Madrid resolution

[Tsov]

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ofc no, its not true, azeri army goes more than 100k ours is like 66k with NKR

Why do you think Azerbaijan has more than 100 000? I only found that Azerbaijan has like 15000 aditional paramilitary forces. Adding up makes it 80000+, so just slightly more than the Armenian forces.

[londontsi]

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The term Military personnel could be misleading.

Firstly Azerbaijan will not have difficulties in putting together a larger military force due to its larger population.

However if the published figures are accurate and I am assuming they are
we have to understand the structure of the Azeri forces to put things into some context.

Azerbaijan has a navy,
Armenia does not.

Azerbaijan has border guards. They serve Iranian and Russian Borders.
Armenia does not support a border guards except the current defence lines.

Azerbaijan has allocated about 20% of its Army, 1 division out of Five to defend Nakhichevan.
Once there they are isolated, they have to be self sufficient with awkward logistics.
Armenia does not have to allocate such as large force on the Armenia–Nakhicevan border.
A relatively small border defence force will suffice.
They can be reinforced easily depending on needs.

Azerbaijan also has allocated 1 division for the protection of Baku.
Not for the protection from Armenian forces but to defend the regime from internal strife.
After all the Sultan is not as dumb as he looks.

So when we brand around numbers we are not projecting a true picture.

[armo12]

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About BuK and Kub in and British sniper rifles in Armenia

BuK: there is half division (4 launchers) BuK M1-2 in Gyumri but its under Russian control.
KuB: there is 2 battalions (6 launcher each) of KuB M3 in Artsakh, ex 102 base KuB since they got BuKs

England never sold arms to Armenia since EU/NATO dont sell arms to conflicted countries like we or baboons. but somehow small number of various rifles are in service, could be bought from/via Russia or Greece

Wow mate that's some good info!but i remember you once said that armenia once got buks from a russian base in georgia if i remember correctly

[Tsov]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

The term Military personnel could be misleading.

Firstly Azerbaijan will not have difficulties in putting together a larger military force due to its larger population.

However if the published figures are accurate and I am assuming they are
we have to understand the structure of the Azeri forces to put things into some context.

Azerbaijan has a navy,
Armenia does not.

Azerbaijan has border guards. They serve Iranian and Russian Borders.
Armenia does not support a border guards except the current defence lines.

Azerbaijan has allocated about 20% of its Army, 1 division out of Five to defend Nakhichevan.
Once there they are isolated, they have to be self sufficient with awkward logistics.
Armenia does not have to allocate such as large force on the Armenia–Nakhicevan border.
A relatively small border defence force will suffice.
They can be reinforced easily depending on needs.

Azerbaijan also has allocated 1 division for the protection of Baku.
Not for the protection from Armenian forces but to defend the regime from internal strife.
After all the Sultan is not as dumb as he looks.

So when we brand around numbers we are not projecting a true picture.

That's an interesting analysis. Thanks!


Also this is from a report from some time ago which in my opinion shows where Azerbaijans priority lies concerning its military:

The deployment of Azerbaijan’s armed forces reflects three distinct roles, according to Oxford Analytica:

1. Capital and maritime security. In the east, most of the better-trained and best-equipped units are committed to ‘force protection’ in Baku, and participate in maritime security in the Caspian Sea. These elite units receive first choice in equipment and support, and enjoy the highest standard of training.

2. Counter-proliferation and counter-insurgency. Reflecting their second-tier standing, units stationed in the south along the border with Iran are assigned to counter-proliferation, while units in the north handle border security and limited counter-insurgency operations in the light of the threat from Islamist groups in neighbouring Dagestan.

3. Frontline deployments. The least-equipped force is composed of the frontline units stationed along the borders with Armenia and Karabakh, to the north-west and west respectively. Given lack of equipment, poor conditions and tensions along the frontline, these units suffer from low morale, lack of unit cohesion and poor discipline, each of which has generally contributed to a greater danger of threat misperception. Moreover, almost paradoxically, it is the inherent weakness and lack of discipline among the frontline units that make the danger of renewed hostilities and escalation more — not less — likely, given the tendency to over-react to incidents and misread the battlefield environment.

http://ditord.com/2011/09/16/poor-quality-of-forces-on-karabakh-frontline-increases-danger-of-accidental-outbreak-of-war/

[Gevz]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

If you have been following the events around Karabagh as well as the position of Azerbaijan you should not have missed the fact that none of the above is likely to happen.

Azerbaijan was offered quite a lot of concessions at one of the International conferences, do not remember the place.
It declined to accept because they wanted (and want) all of Karabagh ........... OR NOTHING.

Therefore they will get NOTHING.

As recent events have shown, Azerbaijan flirts with the idea that they can achieve their goals through military means.
They have been unsuccessful.

However, to us it has shown the vulnerabilities of our borders the way they are, defence wise.

I think our political and military leaders' agenda should be that and nothing else.


PS.
No government can survive doing a U-turn on a 20 year position regarding a state doctrine.
The Sultan will not do a U-turn now. Only .... maybe in his grave.

.

Azerbaijan has no choice what it will be signing or what it will be accepting should the time come. This conflict will be resolved once Russia wants it resolved no 2 ways about it and it will be resolved in the favour of Armenia not Azerbaijan. Russia knows who the rightful owners of Artsakh are...The world knows this. Should Azerbaijan go on an adventure in Artsakh on its own it will be the end of Azerbaijan as you know it.

Artsakh conflict will end the way I explained it in another post no other way, unless like I said the baboon decides they can liberate it without taking into account what Russia wants......in that case Russia will jump in 'undercover' and decapitate Azerbaijan completely for going against it not that Armenia couldn't do it on it's own.

Armenia has no 'vulnerabilities' on the borders, you need to remember Armenians don't breed like Islam scum Azerbaijan where we can send 200 soldiers for no reason and get killed and not even care about it - in recent times since the start of the year we have lost a lot of boys these boys are 19 - 20 years not special forces going up against special forces in surprise attacks out numbered 1-4 - 1-6. The baboon can't even break and hold a post for 10 minutes let alone hours or days - does that tell you something? The filth even get help from turkey during these raids.

Finally ------- Many Armenians say Russia is in bed with Turkey and has 'sold' Armenia & 'sold' Artsakh already because of it's gas projects blah blah blah.....Russia has fought the turks in 17 wars throughout history....winning all 17 times - turks are ISIS, turks sponsored Chechens in the Chechen wars. DO YOU think Russia is that stupid?????????? No doubt Russia will go to war with Turks soon or later.


ARTSAKH WILL FOREVER BE PART OF ARMENIA.

[burjuin]

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Armenian Air Force

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Wow mate that's some good info!but i remember you once said that armenia once got buks from a russian base in georgia if i remember correctly

yes, but it is what azerbaijani side claims, could be that 102 base has them in use, because azeri side claim also that all occupied georgian stuff by russians in 2008 war was sent to russian base in armenia and then was given to armenian MOD. Back than Russians captured couple launchers of Georgian Buk

[burjuin]

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Airport in Armenia's north will start functioning by 2015 end
16:27, 25.05.2015
Region:Armenia
Theme: Economics


YEREVAN. – An airport in Stepanavan town in Armenia's north will start operations till the end of t his year, Deputy Minister of Emergency Situations Vache Terteryan said.

The repair works are being carried our together with the Russian partners within the framework of creation of Armenian-Russian humanitarian center, he said while presenting report on implementation of the 2014 budget in the parliament.

In long-term perspective the center will have international significance for rapid reaction to emergency situations.

“Operation of the airport in Kapan will extend coverage and to the south of the republic. However, it's too early to name specific periods of recovery. Airports will be able to receive civil aviation, too,” he added.

Armenia News - NEWS.am

http://news.am/eng/news/268451.html

[armo12]

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