Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[burjuin]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

There are ways to make those drones much quieter with simple tech.

We don't want them quieter. Those are enemy drones. We need to modify our defense of Infrared Manpad to track them with shoulder missiles tracking their noise

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-portable_air-defense_system

[Artashes]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

We don't want them quieter. Those are enemy drones. We need to modify our defense of Infrared Manpad to track them with shoulder missiles tracking their noise

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-po...defense_system

I was talking about our drones.

[Spetsnaz]

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Why are you getting mad? our death toll is published at 95 plus 5 civilians. From our side we have made public the azeri death toll which is around a 100 what proof do we have that they have lost more then 200? even if it is 200 they outnumber us 3 to 1

Hey Ayrudzi, 1st welcome to this forum.
Second you have to consider the following facts!

This attack was prepared for no less than 6 months and their aim was not to capture Talish, Madaghis and Lele tepe surrounding hilltops but to capture the villages in that area and move to Sarsang reservoir. The attack was from all over the border from north to south however their attack was only successful from the later mentioned positions. It is normal that a surprise attack like this will snatch this much of casualties, yet they have used more or less their whole arsenal (Smerch - Tos - Suicide Drones - Grad - Mi 35 - T-90) while Nagorno Karabakh used only Grad missiles. The fact is that they weren't able to hold these positions for 2 days! Btw you wont ever know about their casualties since they LIE and HIDE. So far razm info fixed 95 of them. Btw our casualties are 78 Soldiers 12 Volunteers and 5 Civilians.

For the above mentioned source: Movses Hakopian

[bayhye]

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Good summary Spetsnaz. So basically this time around, they didn't anticipate that once we fell back, we would bomb the daylights out of them and recover.

Next time they'll have to modify their attack to blitz and keep moving (instead of retrenching) until they've pushed us back from first and second line defenses-- they'll have to use something like tochkas and the Harop to take out the secondary command posts, and then grunt rush the front line with numbers. I'm starting to join the camp that says we need to pre-emptively take out their missile capabilities.

[ayrudzi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Hey Ayrudzi, 1st welcome to this forum.
Second you have to consider the following facts!

This attack was prepared for no less than 6 months and their aim was not to capture Talish, Madaghis and Lele tepe surrounding hilltops but to capture the villages in that area and move to Sarsang reservoir. The attack was from all over the border from north to south however their attack was only successful from the later mentioned positions. It is normal that a surprise attack like this will snatch this much of casualties, yet they have used more or less their whole arsenal (Smerch - Tos - Suicide Drones - Grad - Mi 35 - T-90) while Nagorno Karabakh used only Grad missiles. The fact is that they weren't able to hold these positions for 2 days! Btw you wont ever know about their casualties since they LIE and HIDE. So far razm info fixed 95 of them. Btw our casualties are 78 Soldiers 12 Volunteers and 5 Civilians.

For the above mentioned source: Movses Hakopian

78 plus 12 that,s 90 and we report 95 for them. I understand the difficulty of the situation and the way they attacked but its just unsettling and unnerving that Armenians are sitting back now and not countering them. So every 5 10 years they do this and then call for ceasefire and our side takes it. They can afford the losses we cant. It is a weakness on Armenians side for obeying this ceasefire.

[Artashes]

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78 plus 12 that,s 90 and we report 95 for them. I understand the difficulty of the situation and the way they attacked but its just unsettling and unnerving that Armenians are sitting back now and not countering them. So every 5 10 years they do this and then call for ceasefire and our side takes it. They can afford the losses we cant. It is a weakness on Armenians side for obeying this ceasefire.

The world knows the atrocities of the turc (azer turc also) and has suffered from these atrocities too.
However, they emmediately welcome turc business because they are participants in sharing the stolen Armenian (and others) wealth.
We (Hay) were sold out a long time ago so everyone could share with the turc our stolen plunder.
We are under incredible pressure by the greed ridden of this world.
I'm not sure how much unilateral ability we have at this moment.
We've been sold out by all major powers and that's the sad truth.

[armnuke]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

78 plus 12 that,s 90 and we report 95 for them. I understand the difficulty of the situation and the way they attacked but its just unsettling and unnerving that Armenians are sitting back now and not countering them. So every 5 10 years they do this and then call for ceasefire and our side takes it. They can afford the losses we cant. It is a weakness on Armenians side for obeying this ceasefire.

Dude it's not the time to nag about casualties with a calculator in your hand. RIP all heroes.
If you believe Azeri sources then you deserve a medal. As for razm.info verifying Azeri casualties by names, they do that through open sources like social media and you have to multiply their number by 3 or 4 to get the correct number. Azeri gov't has forbidden publishing any names or numbers officially.

[armnuke]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

The world knows the atrocities of the turc (azer turc also) and has suffered from these atrocities too.
However, they emmediately welcome turc business because they are participants in sharing the stolen Armenian (and others) wealth.
We (Hay) were sold out a long time ago so everyone could share with the turc our stolen plunder.
We are under incredible pressure by the greed ridden of this world.
I'm not sure how much unilateral ability we have at this moment.
We've been sold out by all major powers and that's the sad truth.

It's better to be sold out by all major powers than to be a CIA-sponsored Ukraine.

[ayrudzi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Dude it's not the time to nag about casualties with a calculator in your hand. RIP all heroes.
If you believe Azeri sources then you deserve a medal. As for razm.info verifying Azeri casualties by names, they do that through open sources like social media and you have to multiply their number by 3 or 4 to get the correct number. Azeri gov't has forbidden publishing any names or numbers officially.

my question is how do you know for certain that we have to multiply the number by 3 or 4 where do you get these facts from that we HAVE to multiply by 3 or 4 I know azeri side is not truthful but fact is the the numbers of casualties are more or less equal according to razm.info so where is the 3 or 4 times coming from what concrete evidence is their?