Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[armnuke]

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my question is how do you know for certain that we have to multiply the number by 3 or 4 where do you get these facts from that we HAVE to multiply by 3 or 4 I know azeri side is not truthful but fact is the the numbers of casualties are more or less equal according to razm.info so where is the 3 or 4 times coming from what concrete evidence is their?

If you go through the 1700 pages of this thread you'll find out the formula of calculating Azeri casualties.

[Spetsnaz]

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78 plus 12 that,s 90 and we report 95 for them. I understand the difficulty of the situation and the way they attacked but its just unsettling and unnerving that Armenians are sitting back now and not countering them. So every 5 10 years they do this and then call for ceasefire and our side takes it. They can afford the losses we cant. It is a weakness on Armenians side for obeying this ceasefire.

Ayrudzi, I know you are concerned of our casualties, but this is not a video game like counter strike or else. You are someone sitting behind the computer and waiting for a quick response meanwhile our commanders are planning the counter attack. Just wait for it and you will hear. Counter attacking needs time and planning.it's not like Ok let's attack! No we take into consideration every soldiers life. Btw if you were the commander possibly we would have had more casualties than 95 cz probably you would have ordered for a quick counter attack without taking specific measures/calculations.

[Mher]

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my question is how do you know for certain that we have to multiply the number by 3 or 4 where do you get these facts from that we HAVE to multiply by 3 or 4 I know azeri side is not truthful but fact is the the numbers of casualties are more or less equal according to razm.info so where is the 3 or 4 times coming from what concrete evidence is their?

ape, as a general rule of law, you lose several times more than your enemy when attacking. Usually the rule of thumb is three. But that number goes up when its uphill/mountainous. That number goes up further when your president and generals are bunch of draft dodgers/deserters who use their soldiers like sand bags and can cover up any death they wish.

so even if we didn't have the much more professional army, it would be a surprise if they didn't have much more casualties crossing one of the most militarized no man lands in the world.

As far as razm.info
The enemy deaths: that information was acquired in spite of the best effort of Azerbaijan. They refuse to release a list. So it's what slipped out. What they couldn't cover up. The bodies that were left behind when retreating, people who have a social network account that could be found, etc.

As far as our deaths: Our army simply released a list that they kept updating until all the missing became dead. Nobody dug that up. Because you don't have to. Because we have a free country. I know that number is correct because I've checked with several news releases of soldier funerals and all of their names have been on that list. You can't really hide that information in Armenia.

In Azerbaijan however, there is literally no free media left.

Radio Liberty was shut down December of 2014, and they have basically shut down cesd.az at start of this year.

[Spetsnaz]

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my question is how do you know for certain that we have to multiply the number by 3 or 4 where do you get these facts from that we HAVE to multiply by 3 or 4 I know azeri side is not truthful but fact is the the numbers of casualties are more or less equal according to razm.info so where is the 3 or 4 times coming from what concrete evidence is their?

Let me ask you a question.

The attacking side confirms only that they had 39 casualty and 22 wounded.
1st of all there haven't been any scenario in a blitz/war were the number of wounded are less than the casualties moreover the defending side confirms 95 casualties and 122 wounded. So here is the question. Do you find that azeris attacking on a well defended hilltop with (let's assume) 500 soldiers (not less nor more since firstly if your the attacking side you should have the triple amount of the defending side 2nd they weren't able to hold the positions which means they've had many casualties while some retreated) can have only 39 casualties and 22 wounded?

So this is a scenario of 1 hilltop. Consider the fact that they attacked from several positions multiply and you will get the answer of your question. No need for sources. Simple math and logic

[UrMistake]

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Let me ask you a question.

The attacking side confirms only that they had 39 casualty and 22 wounded.
1st of all there haven't been any scenario in a blitz/war were the number of wounded are less than the casualties moreover the defending side confirms 95 casualties and 122 wounded. So here is the question. Do you find that azeris attacking on a well defended hilltop with (let's assume) 500 soldiers (not less nor more since firstly if your the attacking side you should have the triple amount of the defending side 2nd they weren't able to hold the positions which means they've had many casualties while some retreated) can have only 39 casualties and 22 wounded?

So this is a scenario of 1 hilltop. Consider the fact that they attacked from several positions multiply and you will get the answer of your question. No need for sources. Simple math and logic

by only the amount of tanks and helicopters plus the left out "special" forces makes them more than 120 ...our side just cant hide the truth , even if some analyst wish , we are small country and every mother will make it big fuss in the media that it happens to be the most free in the region and decent numbered globally .

[Vrej1915]

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[Vrej1915]

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Հայ զինվորին ծնողից հետո ամենաշատը սիրում է իր հրամանատարը

12 Ապրիլի 2016,

ԼՂՀ ՊՆ մամուլի խոսնակ Արծրուն Հովհաննիսյանը «Ֆեյսբուքի» իր էջում գրում է. «Ապրիլյան չորսօրյա պատերազմը մի կարևոր բան փաստեց ու վերջանական փաստեց: Հայ զինվորին ծնողից հետո ամենաշատը սիրում է իր հրամանատարը, որը իր կյանքով է հաճախ փրկում նրանց: Այս իրողությունը այլևս շատ բան պիտի փոխի»:

[Federate]

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Azerbaijan only admits to 36 deaths and loss of 1 tank and 1 helicopter so it seems they are only declaring losses that they can't deny because the remains ended up in our hands. Razm.info and Meydan.tv have discovered close to 100 killed with photos, names, birth place etc. This is based on open source information, meaning Facebook posts left on public or public funerals.

Looking through the list of their 100 killed, you will see that it is very officer heavy. 1 out of every 4 Azeri death is an officer and it is much harder to conceal officer deaths than lower level soldiers because officers get military recognition and more likely to get officials attend their funerals. This means that there is likely dozens of more Azeri deaths that have gone under the radar. Their deaths probably range in the 200 level.

[Artashes]

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Not only number of dead azer is being hidden but the number of wounded.
They are not like us. Our wounded want to recover and go back into the fight. Their (azer) wounded might as well be counted as dead. The vast majority aren't coming back.
How many wounded ? Can't ask a liar. How many charges by them in 5 days and how many retreats ?
They didn't retreat for no reason. Lots of casualties and many more wounded.
All their numbers seem too small to me.
Of course, according to turc, few Armenians were killed in the genocide.

[argin]

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Զինվորները պարգևատրվեցին` տանկ ու ուղղաթիռ խոցելու համար

22:51, 12 ապրիլի, 2016
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