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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
    How is that different than what we have now? Was the four day war a response to our provocation? They do not need excuses to attack, why should we wait for one? You must understand these turks do not think like us, they have no regard for right or wrong, for moral or immoral. Look at this http://www.groong.org/news/msg572466.html this kind of barbarism is rewarded in their society. They have a long record of being ruthless and breaking any and all laws. We cannot afford to just sit back and get hammered. If the enemy does not play by the rules of war then we cannot afford it either. The one thing that we should have learned by now is that the only thing that scares turks into submission is a taste of their own barbarism. Slay them, give no quarter, hit the dam, snipe away, if they use civilian areas to shell us then level the whole town. This is the only thing that will stop them. The Azeris are much easier to scare off then their cousins to our west. We can and should slaughter them into submission so they will think twice about attacking us again.
    Agreed. Although international community is more comfortable seeing Armenians be slaughtered than turks. That's why no one really gives a xxxx when Azeri started their aggression. So they won't see eye to eye with us. But It's long due we grew some balls and stop playing the victim card.

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      Wounded Armenian serviceman dies in Nagorno-Karabakh

      14:10 • 02.05.16

      A serviceman of the Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army died at the
      Stepanakert central hospital days after being moved there with firearm
      injuries.

      According to a press release by Nagorno-Karabakh’s Ministry of
      Defense, the deceased is Sargis A Gasparyan, 20. He was hospitalized
      on April 29.

      The Ministry shares the heavy grief of the loss, extending its
      solidarity to the family and fellow servicemen of the deceased.

      https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2...I2niACuh4Nk&e=
      Hayastan or Bust.

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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Originally posted by AstalaVist View Post
          If you really think there is a war going on then you will be so damn suprised if the real one starts.
          War is like cooking !!!

          When you have the casserole on the fire and if its lukewarm or boiling hot its still called cooking, not real or unreal cooking.

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          Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
          Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
          Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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              Originally posted by AstalaVist View Post
              Yes we have resources for artillery shellings but let me ask this. What would happen if we start shell their military targets/bases? Not only it's gonna be a great excuse for Azeris to start the war but they will also show us as the agressor who caused the war.
              Because they launched a surprise attack on us a month ago, we should be able to lob a few dozen rounds on their troop concentrations to throw a wrench in any of their plans of reattacking. Azerbaijan can not retake Artsakh, it's trying to bleed them in a war of attrition to get more concessions out of peace talks.

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                Originally posted by HyeSocialist View Post
                Because they launched a surprise attack on us a month ago, we should be able to lob a few dozen rounds on their troop concentrations to throw a wrench in any of their plans of reattacking. Azerbaijan can not retake Artsakh, it's trying to bleed them in a war of attrition to get more concessions out of peace talks.
                Exactly. And the Azeris have painted themselves into a corner. Now they have to attack. They've made no recent gains internationally in terms of peace talks, in fact their position has weakened. Their war of attrition has resulted in bombardments to their positions and frontline villages and towns. Additionally, they have made NKR forces even more vigilant for the incoming attack. On a tactical basis, NKR forces should be targeting their troop concentrations. The reaction internationally will be weak and have no teeth.
                General Antranik (1865-1927): I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.

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                  http://www.transconflict.com/2016/04...-insanity-264/

                  Nagorno-Karabakh and negotiation insanity

                  26 APR 2016


                  The OSCE need not continue to claim sides “lack will” towards a settlement of this conflict. Azerbaijan has territorial claims against Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenians who live in Nagorno-Karabakh have demonstrated they will fight to the end to maintain self-rule. For the Minsk Group to continue thinking it’s business as usual is like the insane doing the same thing over and over yet expecting different results.


                  By David Davidian

                  To estimate the motivation of Baku in their April 2nd military offensive against Nagorno-Karabakh (NK), one must look at a confluence of at least six elements that contributed to the timing of Azerbaijan’s decision. First, Azerbaijan has been building-up its military over the past two decades, but mainly in the past five to seven years, acquiring among other items, an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) infrastructure from Israeli Aerospace Industries (IAS) and has purchased as many weapons as Baku’s oil revenues could withstand from Russia or any other seller. These purchases violate arms control agreements, but there is no arms control court Azerbaijan can be taken to. Having weapons your enemy doesn’t generates a euphoria to use them.

                  Second, last summer Armenia was promised $200 million in Russian arms, the same basic weaponry Russia sells to Azerbaijan. Every subsequent arms sale made to each side contains more lethal and higher technology weaponry. The general understanding was that the latest Armenian package included shoulder fired heat seeking missiles that would have severely impacted the efficacy of Azerbaijan’s Israeli UAVs. Armenia claimed it has been receiving shipments of these Russian arms right along, but this appeared to be a bluff. Perhaps the shoulder fired weapons were a bluff as well. This is nothing that a petrol-dollar bribe could not verify within the Kremlin walls. Baku was led to believe that Armenia was itself bluffing shipments for some reason, and concluded it had to act before Armenians actually received the latest Russian weapon shipments by an attack to inflict the maximum pain on NK.

                  Third, US intelligence reported that there had been a slow but consistent build up of both Turkish forces near its northeast border and an equivalent buildup in Azerbaijan forces along its border with NK starting during the fall of 2015. US officials stated such a buildup could lead to renewed fighting.

                  Fourth, Azerbaijani ISIS fighters have been steadily returning home and have been encouraged by Baku to take up residence along the NK front. Having learned that unconstrained human barbarity is alive and well, these veteran ISIS fighters have been reportedly terrorizing the local Azerbaijani population, raping and looting. As a result of latest fighting, at least four Armenian POWs were beheaded by Azerbaijani fighters. Parading severed heads is a signature act of ISIS. During their offensive, Azerbaijani soldiers cut ears off of elderly Armenians as they were murdered in their homes. Baku felt these native ISIS fighters needed to be engaged in their specialty, against Armenians, rather than local Azerbaijanis.

                  The latter barbarity is very important as it points out what the Armenians of NK have been saying since this region was placed under Azerbaijani jurisdiction in the early 1920s by Joseph Stalin. NK Armenians will never subject themselves to be ruled by Azerbaijanis. These Armenians were given another reminder of what life would be like under Baku’s rule.

                  Fifth, Russia thwarted Turkish attempts at wielding huge political and economic influence in Syria. It is convenient to blame the deterioration in Russian-Turkish relations as a major reason why their rhetorical proxies engaged in hostilities, especially an Azerbaijani offensive. Last October, weeks before the Turks shot the Russian SU-24 jet at the Turkish-Syrian border, Turkish military helicopters violated Armenian airspace, twice, blaming it on bad weather. There were no repercussions associated with this violation, perhaps demonstrating the lack of causality in degenerated Russian-Turkish and those between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Even though Turkey and Azerbaijan publicly consider themselves sister republics, both Baku and Moscow have business interests exclusive of Turkey and are competitors in the hydro-carbon market. Armenia and Russia are members of the Eurasian Economic Union (EEU) and the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO). Statements made about this April 4-day war by constituent members of the CSTO raised eyebrows in Armenia, especially remarks by Kazakhstan’s President Nazarbayev, frankly calls into question the commitment of constituent CSTO states. Azerbaijan is neither a member of the EEU or CSTO. Turkish attempts at convincing Azerbaijan to place a thorn in the side of Russia via NK is far down on this list. The cost of such a Turkish thorn is high. Azerbaijan wouldn’t even agree to the recent cease fire until Russia moved a 1,700 man special military operations unit to the Azerbaijani border to demonstrate its seriousness in urging a cease-fire.

                  Sixth, the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) Minsk Group itself, which “spearheads the OSCE’s efforts to find a peaceful solution to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict”, has a role in allowing the situation regarding NK to reach a point where Azerbaijan felt comfortable attacking NK. These same negotiators, some of whom witnessed Kosovo extracted from Serbia, seemingly expect the complete opposite from NK. Apparently, self-determination has a different meaning in the Balkans than the Caucasus. When the OSCE wants it both ways, wars break out and people die. The OSCE was forced to close offices in Baku late last year and many have lost respect for this group.

                  The OSCE need not continue to claim sides “lack will” towards a settlement of this conflict. Azerbaijan has territorial claims against NK and Armenians who live in NK have demonstrated they will fight to the end to maintain self-rule. For the Minsk Group to continue thinking it’s business as usual is like the insane doing the same thing over and over yet expecting different results. Moreover, the Minsk Group must know that Azerbaijani officials have admitted their real goal is to force Armenia into an unsustainable arms race, similar to what US President Reagan did to bankrupt the Soviet Union.

                  After all the fighting, with a hundred Armenian dead and many hundreds of unreported Azerbaijanis killed, all Baku can show for its military offensive is having captured a small grassy mound in neutral territory. In return, Armenia has received the honor of having shot down more Israeli UAVs than any other state or group.

                  There is no other way out for OSCE negotiators than to clearly understand that Armenians will not be ruled by Azerbaijanis who, among other things, behead prisoners of war. The Japanese treatment of Allied prisoners during WWII was no better and they were found guilty of war crimes.

                  David Davidian is an Adjunct Lecturer at the American University of Armenia. He has spent over a decade in technical intelligence analysis at major high technology firms.
                  General Antranik (1865-1927): I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.

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                      You know I see a lot of photos of our troops that are similar to this one on social media and it simply pisses me off...the entire forehead and most of the head region of this soldier is exposed, no wonder our boys keep getting shot in their heads on the front!
                      Last edited by ArmeniaSacra; 05-02-2016, 07:45 AM.

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