Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Karabed]

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http://www.crisisgroup.org/

Armenia and Azerbaijan: Preventing War
Escalating front-line clashes, a spiralling arms race, vitriolic rhetoric and a virtual breakdown in peace talks increase the chance Armenia and Azerbaijan will go back to war over Nagorno-Karabakh, with devastating regional consequences.

[Federate]

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Thanks Karabed. According to that report, Azerbaijan has these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-63_Plamen which I had never heard of. I just finished reading the entire link by Karabed and I really recommend it. It's very indepth and has a projection of the battle strategy Armenia and Azerbaijan will probably take, including an attack on Gandzak (Ganja) and the Mingchevir reservoir that would cut off electricity to half the country.

[Federate]

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Soldier dies in NKR military unit
February 8, 2011 - 15:55 AMT 11:55 GMT

PanARMENIAN.Net - Soldier Gevorg Korinyan, 19, died in an incident in one of Nagorno Karabakh military units.

Investigation is under way, reported the press office of the NKR defense army.

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/world/news/61007/

[Haykakan]

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Well, if it was not for the big armenian diaspora in USA, USA would be much more favourable to Azerbaijan, and probably wouldn't even think twice about us. But with diaspora help, they have forced US to limit military assistance to Azerbaijan, and encouraged economic assistance to both Armenia and Karabakh, and the karabakh part has always angered Azerbaijan.

If I was the USA, I would support Azerbaijan all the way. For one reason, oil.

The USA shows us exactly how "big" the armenian diaspora is here by refusing to say genocide every april 24. If you overestimate your strengths then you will set yourself up for a fall.

[ninetoyadome]

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IT in the service of the Army of Artsakh
Center for the development of information technologies in conjunction with the NKR Ministries of Defence and Culture and Youth Affairs of the Republic, a project to organize videovstrech NKR Defense Army with family and friends. During the year the virtual meeting will be organized in almost all military units of Artsakh. The project involved a mobile equipped with all necessary computer center with wireless Internet access.


The first video link was held on December 31 in N-military unit: over 3 hours of about 70 soldiers communicated with their families and friends. The next event was organized on January 25, when soldiers and their relatives have the opportunity to live a few hours to communicate through a system of Skype. It is impossible to convey the joyous atmosphere that prevailed during videovstrech no accident that only the wish expressed by almost all levels - from commanders to their relatives - were often asked to organize such events. The more so because in addition to Internet communication in those days for the defenders of the homeland, organized by the concert, national games and competitions.

According to unit commanders, the organization videovstrechi very important in terms of maintaining high morale of the army. The soldiers, of course, regularly communicate by telephone with his family. However, just talking on the phone - one thing and see if this one another - quite another matter. Convinced firsthand what their children are healthy and in good spirits, parents will be quieter for them. In turn, soldiers, chat and see family and friends, in their own words, get lots of positive emotions, which ultimately improves their morale.

I would like to mention another important factor of the project. Recently, a number of controlled newspapers, the first president of Armenia organized a very real information war against our army, as if trying to discredit everything associated with military service and undermine the military, and moral and psychological spirit of soldiers. The project on the organization of the video bridge - a convincing answer to those who try to discredit the Armenian army-winner.

Vahan Rubinian
The newspaper "Voice of Armenia"

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://voskanapat.info/news/it_na_sluzhbe_armii_arcakha/2011-02-08-1108&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhgaOmsSoLndev0xhiTY6F719sk1aw

[Eddo211]

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http://www.crisisgroup.org/

Armenia and Azerbaijan: Preventing War
Escalating front-line clashes, a spiralling arms race, vitriolic rhetoric and a virtual breakdown in peace talks increase the chance Armenia and Azerbaijan will go back to war over Nagorno-Karabakh, with devastating regional consequences.

This is something I wasn't sure about but it fortifies my position on it despite what the Turks popular belief is. Turkey is against a renewed war by Azerbaijan and will not give the green light or send troops to fight side by side the Azeris.

From the article:

Azerbaijani analysts are confident Ankara would be compelled to take military action if Azerbaijani
statehood were threatened.143 Turkish officials are more
cautious, stating that they are doing all they can to persuade
Baku war would be a nightmare scenario. They
add that Turkey cannot resist the public pressure if there
is an attack. We would be forced to send weapons. But
we are not talking about sending troops, fighting side by
side. We cant do that without NATO144

On 16 August 2010, days before the upgraded Russian-
Armenian military deal was announced, Turkey and Azerbaijan
signed a strategic partnership and mutual assistance
agreement, stipulating they will support each other using
all possibilities in the case of a military attack or aggression
against the other.145 Turkish diplomats suggested
there are no firm commitments, and Azerbaijanis agree it
does not amount to a mutual defence pact.146 The Azerbaijani
parliament ratified it in December 2010, but it has
not yet been put to the Turkish parliament.147

Russians will also be against Armenia making any type of defensive attack.....a renewed war would ruin the increasing close relationship between Turkey and Russia.

[arakeretzig]

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This is something I wasn't sure about but it fortifies my position on it despite what the Turks popular belief is. Turkey is against a renewed war by Azerbaijan and will not give the green light or send troops to fight side by side the Azeris.

From the article:


Russians will also be against Armenia making any type of defensive attack.....a renewed war would ruin the increasing close relationship between Turkey and Russia.

Then Azeris should STFU, go back home to their xxxxhole and call it a day.

[londontsi]

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No, it did not happen by chance. The idf has been funded by American taxpayers for over 30 years now.

Absolutely. In fact I have made this point in the past in one of the threads.

They have 100s of nukes, and they have a very wealthy diaspora that goes to bat for them, and is much more united than our own. Other than the small size of israel, and Armenia, there is not much else that is the same. Also, add in the factor that the American taxpayer has also helped israel by bribing Arab governments in the region, such as Egypt and Jordan, to keep the peace. Do you see the US giving any money to the Armenian military, or bribing aliyev to keep the peace?

My point was/is IF money or demography or time element put us at a disadvantage we have well past those critical points.
Therefore there are other issues with the enemy. Reasoning, they seem so “keen to fight”, why haven't they thus far.

My other point was/is we should push ahead irrespective to strengthen our country by taking the right decisions
whether to do with the economy, demography and certainly with the military towards which I have great trust.

I certainly did not have in mind entering a capabilities race with Israel.

[arakeretzig]

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I certainly did not suggest entering a capabilities race with Israel.

And why not? Israel have only existed 63 years. We have a long military history and more experience in military matters than them and we train russian style, one of the best training there is, there's nothing stopping us really. only ourselves. And if you mean money, the money is there, it's just in oligarchs hands.

[londontsi]

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And why not? Israel have only existed 63 years.

Finance pure and simple. Age (years) has nothing to do with it.

We have a long military history and more experience in military matters than them and we train russian style, one of the best training there is, there's nothing stopping us really. only ourselves. .

These certaily provide the motivation but in themselves cannot produce anything without action.

And if you mean money, the money is there, it's just in oligarchs hands.

Oligarchs are part of the problem with regards to the economic development of the country.
In other words they are part of the problem and not the solution.