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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Originally posted by londontsi View Post
    This is all very well.
    However one has to ask will they stand against the Kornet anti tank considering that the Azeri are supplied with such weapons.

    Put it another way with the upgrade will they stand to more punishment than the Abrams tank



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    This is the usual ATGM "Konkurs "

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    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      Originally posted by burjuin View Post
      This is the usual ATGM "Konkurs "
      Thank you for the clarification.

      However my question becomes more relevant.
      Will the new upgrades withstand at least second tier ATGM with reference to the Kornet at least, as within Azeri weaponry?

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      Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
      Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
      Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Originally posted by londontsi View Post
        Thank you for the clarification.

        However my question becomes more relevant.
        Will the new upgrades withstand at least second tier ATGM with reference to the Kornet at least, as within Azeri weaponry?

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        Armenian Army ATGM are sufficient against Azerbaijani tanks

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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          27 / 10 / 2016
          ՀՀ զինված ուժերն ունեն բացարձակ առավելություն. Սերգեյ Մինասյան

          Լայնամասշտաբ պատերազմի գինը Ադրբեջանի համար ավելացել է ու ավելի տեսանելի է դարձել: Արմենպրես-ի հաղորդմամբ՝ հոկտեմբերի 27-ին լրագրողների հետ հանդիպման ժամանակ նշեց քաղաքագետ Սերգեյ Մինասյանը:
          Ռազմատեխնիկական այն միջոցները, որոնք Հայաստանը ձեռք էր բերել և շարունակում է ձեռք բերել վերջին ժամանակները, հնարավորություն չեն տալիս լիովին խուսափել ցածր և միջին մակարդակի էսկալացիայից: Դա դասական իրավիճակ է, երբ երկրները կարող են ապահովել ռազմավարական զսպումը՝ օգտագործելով և՛ ռազմատեխնիկական, և՛ ռազմաքաղաքական միջոցներ, բայց եթե կողմերից մեկը դժգոհ է այս իրավիճակից, ապա փորձում է ինչ-որ ձևով գնալ ցածր մակարդակի էսկալյացիայի՝ դա օգտագործելով որպես քաղաքական լծակ,- ասաց քաղաքագետը:
          Ըստ Մինասյանի՝ ՀՀ զինված ուժերն ունեն բացարձակ առավելություն՝ օպերատիվ մարտավարական ժամանակակից միջոցների առումով:
          Իրականում ռազմաքաղաքական, ռազմատեխնիկական հավասարակաշտությունը բավական բարդ, բազմաստիճան հասկացություն է, որն իր մեջ ներառում է ոչ միայն ուղղակի տեխնիկայի քանակ և վիճակ, այլ նաև մարտունակություն, աշխարհագրական, պաշտպանական գծի առաձնահատկություններ, կառավարման միջոցներ, արտաքին դերակատարների ներգրավման հնարավարություն և այլն,- ասաց քաղաքագետը:
          Մինասյանի կարծիքով՝ Հայաստանի և Ադրբեջանի ռազմատեխնիկական և ռազմաքաղաքական հավասարակշռությունը գոյություն ունի, այլ բան է, որ այդ բալանսը երբեք չի եղել սիմետրիկ, միշտ եղել է ասիմետրիկ:
          Որոշ զինատեսակներով ադրբեջանական կողմը ունեցել է առավելություն՝ ռազմաօդային ուժեր, զրահատեխնիկայի ավելի մեծ քանակ, այն դեպքում, երբ հայկական կողմը ունեցել է հակաօդային պաշտպանության միջոցների առավելություն,- նշեց քաղաքագետը:
          Ըստ Մինասյանի՝ այդ բալանսը ընդհանուր առմամբ պահպանվում է, դրա հետ մեկտեղ վերջին ամիսներին հայկական կողմը ռազմատեխնիկական բաղադրիչների առումով ստացավ որոշ առավելություն:
          Դա չի վերաբերում Իսկանդեր-ին, քանի որ դրանք եղել են Զինված ուժերի զինանոցում մինչև ապրիլյան իրադարձությունները: Ապրիլյան իրադարձությունների բնույթը, որ եղել է չորսօրյա և չի անցել ռազմավարական մասշաբների, մեծ մասամբ պայմանավորված էր նաև Իսկանդեր-ի և այլ հեռահար հրթիռային կայանների առկայությամբ,- եզրափակեց Մինասյանը:

          http://times.am/?p=188087&l=am

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            Originally posted by burjuin View Post
            Armenian Army ATGM are sufficient against Azerbaijani tanks
            Good to hear that.

            My question was the other way round specially after the upgrades.

            .
            Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
            Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
            Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

              Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
              Nationalists in the diaspora are mostly armchair quarterbacks. They do not have to live with the consequences of their actions, it is not their sons who are dying on a weekly bases from sniper fire as providing for their families becomes increasingly difficult. Over 90% of those "nationalistic" diasporans would feel exactly the same way as the hayastantsis if they had to live under the same conditions. Most diasporans love their homeland so much that they only visit it once they retire(if that). How can you be proud when all you hear is how corrupt everything is, when you are in a constant state of war, blockade, foreighn influence, unable to find work and sustain your family.. Diasporans are more nationalistic because talk is cheap.
              I think there nationalism is equal in diasporans and homelanders. It's just manifesting in diffrent in each. I agree with Haykakan about armchair effect. But also one has to see that people in Armenia have the realistic patriotism. Real, because like Haykakan said, everything affects their lives.
              Do not mix the legacy of soviet corruption and some low quality masses in there with lack of patriotism. Do you forget how in April war the people were volunteering with song and dance to go to war for homeland? Have you seen it anywhere else?
              Bottom line... anybody living in homeland cannot be called unpatriotic, while any diasporan, including me, will be called 100% patriot only when moving back to live in Armenia.
              While living in diaspora, our patriotism is as flawed or incomplete as homelander's is from corruption or low cyvility.
              Remember, if we concider our selfs as having the same genes, then we have to accept that diffrences we have amongst our selfs comes from diffrent environments we live. But we are the same.
              That low quality Armenian you see in a village in Armenia, that is selling his vote, or ready to steal or bribe is the son of one brother that came from western Armenia. While the son of the other brother did not emigrate to Armenia in 1915-50s, but went to Lebanon or France, got rich with hard work and had the opportunity to educate his children with high nationalistic morals.
              While the son of first brother was sent to Siberia for just uttering the name "Andranik Ozanian" in 1925-30s. Was sent to war front in 1941 to fight and die in cold, north steps under mind blowing Stalinist fear propaganda. Came back only 7 years later to find his family starving and in rags, because of war efforts. Worked hard, but was paid only change by soviet government that jailed any enterprising hardworking individual for forbidden "illegal trade or manufacture", but allowed corruption in all levels of government.
              Saw his children being brainwashed with soviet international brotherhood and had to teach them about genocide or real national heroes, being in fear all the time that one day some new Stalin might return.
              But then, after all this, he stood up, fought with his life and liberated part of homeland.
              Liberated for all Armenians, living anywhere on this planet.
              But everybody excuse me if I said, all this time the diasporan brother only dreamt of Armenia, and however sweet that dram was, showed only meager participation for war in homeland. He sent money, but never matching his dreams or rethoric for all the decades after genocide.
              His patriotism was good for keeping himself as Armenian in foreign lands, for which he deserves credit, but never enough to put himself on a harms way, or loose comfortable life for moving back to Armenia.
              When we say "diasporans do not go back to Armenia because of corruption of locals" we look only one side of the problem.
              As much as homelander's corruption is at fault, equally, patriotic deficit in diaspora that cannot resolve to move to Armenia.
              Economic conditions are very trivial here. Our grandfathers established themselfs in all the countries under worse conditions.
              If we talk about patriotism, diasporan has to accept equal sufffering with an Armenian citizen in order to compare himself to them.
              If we wait for homelander's to change with generations, it may be too late.
              Only way for homeland people to change is if large numbers of diasporans move in and mix their combined character to locals. Like they did in 1940s 50s, 60s. Injecting culture, values, arts and craft into Armenia.
              Something has to be changed. Some conditions have to be created so we move back in mass. We have responcibiliry equal to anybody in Armenia.
              There is no day that goes without me thinking of possible roads.
              Last edited by Hakob; 10-27-2016, 07:37 AM.

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              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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                • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                  Originally posted by ASALA2116 View Post
                  Those arm chair quarterbacks are the life of Armenia. They raised the Armenian Question, they have opened many businesses in Armenia, they heavily contributed to the Earth Quake ,First NK war, second war and till today open many community centres, orphanages,schools,universities and build those long highways you drive on everyday. Those contributions are made by those armchair quarterbacks. What has Armenia actually done apart from complain? All you hear in Armenia is complaints, and people like you are a great example. Only a month ago most of you were bashing Russia and today your licking there toes. When Armenia decides to start working as there are plenty of jobs here then maybe they can become great , but until then the people are lazy . No one gets nowhere without working hard.
                  Yes I complain because most diasporans do not look at Armenia as their homeland, they care not about nation building, hell most do not even visit. I never bashed Russia neither did I lick her toes. I did however present a very realistic view of the situations faced by Armenia. Most people do not like reality so they try to pretend that they live in a alternative universe.
                  Hayastan or Bust.

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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Azerbaijan buys T-90s: "Damn, they got T-90s, that's like very advanced to what we got. Karabakh is lost already!""These Russians are no allies, they stabbed us in the back." (No mention of Armenian ATGMs)

                      Armenia upgrades T-72s to B4 standard locally (on par with Azeri T-90s if not better): "Damn, can that thing stand Azeri ATGMs?" (No mention of tank warfare tactics, scout teams to detect hostile ATGM teams, the capability of the tank itself, the quantity of the tanks being upgraded etc.. etc..)

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