Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[londontsi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

The issue is why are we posting over 6 months old "news" and focusing on the small negative outcome? Yes, we lost small patches but overall we did good on repelling a larger-scale army with a surprise attack and advanced armaments. We sealed our security for the next 5 years with the iskanders. I am not sure what is the purpose of this reminder? Also soros is a scumbag that caused more death and lost territories for Eastern Christians.

Because we were lied to from day one.

Facts have been emerging over time.

If we do not highlight the facts the authorities will get away with murder, and I mean the murder of the nation in exchange for a few shekels in their pockets.

Our government is not transparent.

Its our duty to make it transparent if we believe in a free and democratic hayrenik.

I agree its not easy but we must not stop.

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[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

If we act like sheep, we will be led like sheep.

Not sure what seams to be the problem overall?
Sure there is corruption, sure we lost some small areas, sure the government did not immediately release all info related to the conflict.
I am all for constructive criticism. There is a very defined line between criticism and enticement. Soros goes around using “better/open society” for his enticement/control.
People are not stupid and they can read between the lines. Here is the latest on Soros’ Democracy and rule of law. Wonder why what he promotes in Eastern Europe/Russia do not apply in the US?

“George Soros and other rich liberals who spent tens of millions of dollars trying to elect Hillary Clinton are gathering in Washington for a three-day, closed door meeting to retool the big-money left to fight back against Donald Trump.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/democrats-soros-trump-231313

Soros is fuming he lost his momentum on destabilizing Russia. What does Russia quickly do before the Cabal creates problems to the region to please Soros/Israel?

"Russia and Iran in talks over $10 billion arms deal”

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-iran-arms-idUSKBN1390UM

Don’t be fooled with our piddly internal issues when in the lager picture we could become Cannon fodder for the Soros/British games.

[ASALA2116]

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Armenian Air Force

We should hide such pics. Embarrassing

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Around 200 KM of border at around one placed every 5KM places. We will need around 40-50 of these babies. Maybe with around 5 control centers.

How is it keeping accuracy with these small barrels at 6KM targets?

[burjuin]

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[Haykakan]

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There is way too much going on in our region for our government to be very transparent. I know of no country which is involved in a military conflict yet sports transparency at the same time. War makes some of the good things we want impossible while providing a convenient shield for leaders to use in order to deflect such criticism. This does not imply we cannot make improvements but we should be realistic about our expectations. This war has and continues to be used by both sides to justify their continued rule. The lack of transparency is why I like to withhold judgement and see what follows a major events. It has been many months since this latest war but I have seen no new developments (assuming we had iskadars already). I would have expected a major peace settlement or some retaliation involving us taking territory and not seeing these things yet does worry me.

[Hakob]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Not sure what seams to be the problem overall?
Sure there is corruption, sure we lost some small areas, sure the government did not immediately release all info related to the conflict.
I am all for constructive criticism. There is a very defined line between criticism and enticement. Soros goes around using “better/open society” for his enticement/control.
People are not stupid and they can read between the lines. Here is the latest on Soros’ Democracy and rule of law. Wonder why what he promotes in Eastern Europe/Russia do not apply in the US?

“George Soros and other rich liberals who spent tens of millions of dollars trying to elect Hillary Clinton are gathering in Washington for a three-day, closed door meeting to retool the big-money left to fight back against Donald Trump.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/democrats-soros-trump-231313

Soros is fuming he lost his momentum on destabilizing Russia. What does Russia quickly do before the Cabal creates problems to the region to please Soros/Israel?

"Russia and Iran in talks over $10 billion arms deal”

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-iran-arms-idUSKBN1390UM

Don’t be fooled with our piddly internal issues when in the lager picture we could become Cannon fodder for the Soros/British games.

Azad Jan, our internal issues are not piddly. They are the life and death issues for us that we can control. Screw Soros and his cohorts.
We're not gonna dip orselfs in big power politics only to get divided and paralyzed like in 1918-22.
What we're discussing has nothing to do with soros. It's about our government and its internal conduct. No weapon or alliance can save us if we keep rotting from inside.
The situation reminds me of Soviet times. Our own leaders and chinovniks used to rob and plunder so much that big scandals came out of deficits. Then Moscow would get alarmed and angry and send someone to straighten things up. So a fiew unprotected (ander) heads would roll and booked. But in a very short time corrupt circle would take in this Moscow's
"Revisor" and corruption would continue even worse.
This was a system that worked in every republic. Eventually the whole union succumbed to corruption and inefficiency.
Karapetian's return from Russia and big theatrics from government entities that are the core corrupts that "you see, big changes are coming" is an old proven game to fool young people and hold on to power.
I don't give a sh it about Soviet Union. But this is Armenia, the game is played upon. We cannot let our country go way of Soviet Union by people who are Soviet left overs.
How can a group of robbers and moral retards implement reforms? (Reform, against themselfs? Reforming themselfs? Lol).
Most of the members in current government still are Soviet disciples.
If tree is not rotten wind cannot topple it. For best protection against soros or other foreign threats (threats from Turks #1)
We have to try to make sure there will be genuine changes in Armenia.
This government does not have a lot of time. Armenia does not have a lot of time.
Issues are behind smerches or Iskanders.
We can let this political gaming go on only for a very short time (to give a chance to new prime minister).
But on summer next year, if all of this turn out as political fooling by Serje's government, then the only way to avoid Sorose's maidan in Yerevan, will be to smartly and forcefully take out the government.
How? That is another discussion. Civil disobedience is one way.

[Hakob]

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There is way too much going on in our region for our government to be very transparent. I know of no country which is involved in a military conflict yet sports transparency at the same time. War makes some of the good things we want impossible while providing a convenient shield for leaders to use in order to deflect such criticism. This does not imply we cannot make improvements but we should be realistic about our expectations. This war has and continues to be used by both sides to justify their continued rule. The lack of transparency is why I like to withhold judgement and see what follows a major events. It has been many months since this latest war but I have seen no new developments (assuming we had iskadars already). I would have expected a major peace settlement or some retaliation involving us taking territory and not seeing these things yet does worry me.

Forcing government to clean up from corruption, be accountable with country's finances, not cover up plunder, stop favoritism to political or social Qavor/Sanig clans, stopping monopolizing killing business and economy by those Qavor oligarkhs, replacing the intellectually dead and inefficient but embedded parasites from foreign department to judiciary to armed forces has not a single spec of negativity in current international environment.
On the contrary.
I quite often ask, how can we expect from a foreign department that appoints a former waitlifter whose only foreign experience is receiving wolfer in america for fiew years (besides lifting waights in many countries) to a post of ambassador in a country that has our only link with outside world, to navigate us in this treacherous international world?
Why do we complain then when Moscow desides for us?

[Haykakan]

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Hakob we are not Iceland. Transparency during war time is not advisable as it tells everyone including your enemy everything about you. Accountability though is something we need. I think we can do better and the government is making some important changes. The newer ministers are increasingly more educated( Karapetyan). Some of the notorious mobsters are now gone (Liska). Gradual change can be effective without causing a power vacuum. Revolution is not always the best answer. I think it is kind of Ironic that you seem to detest Russian influence yet your revolutionary nature is straight out of anarchist history of Russia. A steady progression path is much healthier for society then the jolt we felt after leaving the Union the way we did. Progress is being made but it is too slow even for my preferred steadier scenario.

[Vrej1915]

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