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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Originally posted by Federate View Post
    I personally don't think Iskanders will be used by Armenia against Azerbaijan if fighting is reserved only in Artsakh, especially if it's a repeat of the Four-Day War. Iskanders are our version of nukes, their primary goal is for deterrence purposes against any Azerbaijan adventure against Armenia proper as it nullifies this threat like how Russian military presence nullifies the Turkish threat.

    The only possible scenario I see Armenia using Iskanders in case of another Artsakh war is if Azerbaijan is attacking Stepanakert with its ground forces. Remember, once you fire Iskanders there's really no going back. Especially since they will most likely be fired from Armenia and not from Artsakh which means you are more or less declaring all-out war across both Republics. We tend to forget that the first Artsakh war was largely only fought in Artsakh and Armenia officially only had a support role.
    I don't think another April-like attack will be tolerated next time. I don't mean that we are going to use particularly Iskander's but it will certainly one of the options. We will just have no other option but to hit them hard. People in Armenia can't accept another "attack-grab some land-declare ceasefire" kind of action by Azerbaijan. Serj can't give an excuse for a second time.

    And that's the thing which will stop the enemy to take an April-like action in NKR.

    Next time Azerbaijan will attack when it's ready for a real war.

    And i don't think it's going to happen anytime soon.

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    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      Originally posted by Federate View Post
      I personally don't think Iskanders will be used by Armenia against Azerbaijan if fighting is reserved only in Artsakh, especially if it's a repeat of the Four-Day War. Iskanders are our version of nukes, their primary goal is for deterrence purposes against any Azerbaijan adventure against Armenia proper as it nullifies this threat like how Russian military presence nullifies the Turkish threat.

      The only possible scenario I see Armenia using Iskanders in case of another Artsakh war is if Azerbaijan is attacking Stepanakert with its ground forces. Remember, once you fire Iskanders there's really no going back. Especially since they will most likely be fired from Armenia and not from Artsakh which means you are more or less declaring all-out war across both Republics. We tend to forget that the first Artsakh war was largely only fought in Artsakh and Armenia officially only had a support role.
      Although I do not disagree with Armenia being involved for the defence of Artsakh either conventional forces or Iskander
      there are are certain nuances which we seem not to appreciate in our discussions.

      Armenia accepts Artsakh is a separate entity from itself i.e. not part of Armenia de jure, lets forget the reality or facts on the ground.
      Also Armenia does not recognise Artsakh as an independent country.
      In order for Armenia reach out to help Artsakh needs to have security treaty.

      We also know that any treaties with not recognised entities is also not recognised by the international community.
      A good example of this is the Kars treaty which was between not internationally recognised ( at the time ) Soviets and the Turks.

      It is also significant that during the recent April war Armenia did not send already mobilised Armenian Army units
      but veterans/volunteer forces which took longer to mobilise.

      My point is this, internationally there is a fine line between defence and aggression.
      If Armenia goes to help another country based on security treaties its not aggression example Syria/Russia
      but get involved by attacking another country its aggression.

      It is easy to cover ourselves from the aggressor label with the use of volunteers, the problem arises with the iskander.

      Whether we like it or not the perception of the international community is paramount.
      If we are perceived as aggressors we would be under pressure to hand back territory we may have liberated.
      If it is agued its for defence it is a different kettle of fish.
      Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
      Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
      Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Originally posted by londontsi View Post
        If we are perceived as aggressors we would be under pressure to hand back territory we may have liberated.
        Yes, see how well that worked and still working for pisrael. Millions moved over from Europe and Russia, took over almost the whole country. They are still killing, taking over what is left as territories from the Palestinians. Will they hand any back? Maybe for a month for PR. Same goes for turks and our territories. Who is handing back our territories? No one! no one cares after few decades. Get few nukes and turn the table around. Let the turks worry about handing back territories. If pisrael could claim land after 3000 years we sure could claim what is ours after few hundred years. Let us stop being nice and submissive.

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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Move the buffer zones forward for security reasons and imenent threats of bomb missle attack by baboons on populalated Artsakh cities. Put the airport in full operation.

          If we have nukes perform underground testing.
          B0zkurt Hunter

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            Armenian soldiers of the Armenian Peace Keeping Engineer Brigade during exercise Combined Resolve VII at the U.S. Army’s Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany, Sept. 4, 2016.



            Last edited by burjuin; 11-22-2016, 10:59 PM.

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            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                Originally posted by Azad View Post
                .... Let us stop being nice and submissive.
                Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
                ... If we have nukes perform underground testing.
                I hope you guys realise we are not even responding adequately to the Azeri snipers who are causing us so much pain.

                Lets talk with our feet on the ground.

                .
                Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                  Originally posted by londontsi View Post
                  I hope you guys realise we are not even responding adequately to the Azeri snipers who are causing us so much pain.

                  Lets talk with our feet on the ground.

                  .
                  Do you have proof that we're not responding? No.
                  At least 3 Azeri soldiers have been killed this week.
                  Of course, the Armenian MoD is not gonna post on Twitter something like "Hey we sniped an Azeri last night, he's dead."
                  Last edited by armnuke; 11-23-2016, 03:58 AM.

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                  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    The students in the Basic Leader Course at the 7th Army Training Commandís Noncommissioned Officer Academy conduct a graduation ceremony at the academyís graduation field in Grafenwoehr, Germany, Sept. 8, 2106

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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      An Azeri soldier has died/killed. Their MoD is silent about it.

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