Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[armnuke]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Armnuke do you really think the Azeris have that much of an advantage over Armenia ??

No, you didn't understand.

[armnuke]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I wish we get some new migs as donations

Russia to reportedly donate MiG-29 jets, T-72 tanks to Serbia

December 23, 2016 - 09:58 AMT
PanARMENIAN.Net - Russia has agreed a major arms donation package with Serbia, following state meetings in Moscow on Wednesday, December 21, Jane's Defense Journal says.
The main part of the donation is for six surplus MiG-29 'Fulcrum' fighter aircraft, a long-standing requirement for the Serbian Air Force. Also included in the deal was a donation of 30 T-72 tanks and 30 BRDM-2 armoured reconnaissance vehicles.
Serbian Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic and Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu agreed on the donation on Wednesday, with the formal agreement document expected to be signed on December 23. Extensive discussions were also made over the donation or sale of air defence systems, with Serbia hoping to receive Buk-M2 and 2K22 Tunguska systems, however no sale was finalised. Instead the two parties agreed to continue talks with the expectation that an eventual arrangement will be made in 2017 or 2018, when Serbia is hoping to get a better procurement offer from Russia.
The MiG-29s are currently being decommissioned from the Russian Aerospace Forces and should be delivered to Serbia during 2017.
Russia's aircraft donation for Serbia includes one MiG-29A (9.12A) and three MiG-29S (9.13) single-seat fighters, plus a pair of twin-seat MiG-29UB (9.51) trainers. These aircraft are expected to need significant work on them to allow them to serve operationally with the Serbian Air Force until about 2030.
These aircraft are intended to strengthen Serbia's weakening air policing capabilities.
Currently Serbia can field three MiG-21UM twin-seat fighters modified to carry R-60 air-to-air missiles; a pair of more-modern MiG-29B (9.12B) single-seat fighters; and a sole MiG-29UB twin-seat trainer. All of these are stationed at Batajnica Air Base, near Belgrade. Serbia also has one more MiG-29B that has been grounded at Batajnica for many years.

The reason Serbia is getting those fighter jets and other goodies is that Russia wants to have a foothold in the Balkans and Serbia is their only option.
We will not get anything in a similar way.

[Joseph]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Since 2014, Azerbaijan has forbidden reporting of casualties as policy. The tactic is to create the illusion that no one is being killed on their side. The reason why they can uphold this is because they have total control over their media organs and will jail or exile you for reporting soldier deaths. Take for instance the April War where they announced only ~35 deaths while some opposition guy living in exile in Germany reported 100+ and that's only by the information he could gather (like Razm.info) that is being actively hidden.

Mix this tactic with Armenian transparency on soldier deaths that can't be hidden because Armenia is one big village with a plethora of news outlets and suddenly there's an illusion that we suffer as much, if not more casualties than Azerbaijan. Take for instance that dead Azeri whose body we now have. Azeris initially announced he was MIA and only did so because they realized that they left his body behind so it would look ridiculous to say they suffered no deaths. If they hadn't left the body behind, the illusion would be that Azeris killed 3 of ours and we only just claim that we killed 7 of them. And then imbeciles on Facebook go under Artsrun Hovhannisyan's announcements and ask for proof that we killed this or that number of Azeris as if they understand anything about war.

Things are being done. If they weren't being done, there would have been more April wars by now. Israel has a tiny border with Gaza, all the advantage you can dream of in terms of money, power, technology... yet Palestinians still manage to slip in every now and then. You can't control 100% of a border area as large as Tavush, there's always going to be slip ups. You just have to minimize them and try to retaliate relatively disproportionately to deter future raids.

Excellent analysis

[Ak105]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

txeq jan dzer nor tarin shnoravor

[HyeFighter2]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I wish we get some new migs as donations

Russia to reportedly donate MiG-29 jets, T-72 tanks to Serbia

December 23, 2016 - 09:58 AMT
PanARMENIAN.Net - Russia has agreed a major arms donation package with Serbia, following state meetings in Moscow on Wednesday, December 21, Jane's Defense Journal says.
The main part of the donation is for six surplus MiG-29 'Fulcrum' fighter aircraft, a long-standing requirement for the Serbian Air Force. Also included in the deal was a donation of 30 T-72 tanks and 30 BRDM-2 armoured reconnaissance vehicles.
Serbian Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic and Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu agreed on the donation on Wednesday, with the formal agreement document expected to be signed on December 23. Extensive discussions were also made over the donation or sale of air defence systems, with Serbia hoping to receive Buk-M2 and 2K22 Tunguska systems, however no sale was finalised. Instead the two parties agreed to continue talks with the expectation that an eventual arrangement will be made in 2017 or 2018, when Serbia is hoping to get a better procurement offer from Russia.
The MiG-29s are currently being decommissioned from the Russian Aerospace Forces and should be delivered to Serbia during 2017.
Russia's aircraft donation for Serbia includes one MiG-29A (9.12A) and three MiG-29S (9.13) single-seat fighters, plus a pair of twin-seat MiG-29UB (9.51) trainers. These aircraft are expected to need significant work on them to allow them to serve operationally with the Serbian Air Force until about 2030.
These aircraft are intended to strengthen Serbia's weakening air policing capabilities.
Currently Serbia can field three MiG-21UM twin-seat fighters modified to carry R-60 air-to-air missiles; a pair of more-modern MiG-29B (9.12B) single-seat fighters; and a sole MiG-29UB twin-seat trainer. All of these are stationed at Batajnica Air Base, near Belgrade. Serbia also has one more MiG-29B that has been grounded at Batajnica for many years.

lmao you wish what? Serbia must pay for renovating those old migs from storage wich is non working, it means they will pay around the half of the cost for 1 jet to fix them in russia and then get them

[Vahram90]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Does anybody know which types of rockets we have for our BM-21 units??? The range of the rockets varies extremly by type. There are rockets with a range of 15 km and rockets with a range of nearly 40 km.

[HyeSocialist]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

lmao you wish what? Serbia must pay for renovating those old migs from storage wich is non working, it means they will pay around the half of the cost for 1 jet to fix them in russia and then get them

I would rather we retire all of our Mi-24s, sell them, and use the savings/proceeds to finance ~24 SU-25s. They will be much more useful in combat as the hinds are really easy to bring down. The new SU-25 upgrade also has the ability to launch KH-52s. That would be HUGE.

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I would rather we retire all of our Mi-24s, sell them, and use the savings/proceeds to finance ~24 SU-25s. They will be much more useful in combat as the hinds are really easy to bring down. The new SU-25 upgrade also has the ability to launch KH-52s. That would be HUGE.

Nothing will be flying between the two countries for a long time. We would need the Mi for rescue/support missions. Best to focus on heavy load drones under $50.000 price tag. I would guesstimate there is 50% probability for anything that flies into azeri territories to be shot down and 90% from our side for what goes up from their side.

[burjuin]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army positions on Mrav ridge

[armnuke]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Does anybody know which types of rockets we have for our BM-21 units??? The range of the rockets varies extremly by type. There are rockets with a range of 15 km and rockets with a range of nearly 40 km.

9M22U if I remember correctly.

edit: Pretty sure it's 9M22U. You can see in one of the videos from the 4-Day War.