Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[ayrudzi]

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They did not liberate a village they took over a hill that made an older village "safe" to rebuild.

irregardless, It just doesn't settle well with me knowing we lost territory and it is being spun as some kind of victory some thing not right about that kind of propaganda

[Azad]

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That article states they "liberated" a village.

See attached image. The white line is the old border. The light area is roughly the hill they took over that will make their parasitic expansion of a village "safe" to build and call it Liberated for their propaganda machine.

[Azad]

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irregardless, It just doesn't settle well with me knowing we lost territory and it is being spun as some kind of victory some thing not right about that kind of propaganda

What shall we do? Go to full fledge war for the small area they took over? They are like parasites they love to multiply all around our borders. The Sultan made it his mission to build large cities all around our borders.
Most likely this spring they will do another kamikaze attack. Probably much larger due to their desperation with their economy and frustration. Let us hope our military will teach them a royal lesson once for all.

[ayrudzi]

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What shall we do? Go to full fledge war for the small area they took over? They are like parasites they love to multiply all around our borders. The Sultan made it his mission to build large cities all around our borders.
Most likely this spring they will do another kamikaze attack. Probably much larger due to their desperation with their economy and frustration. Let us hope our military will teach them a royal lesson once for all.

So they chip away at Artsakh one hill at a time? If next time Armenia doesn't get serious with a counter attack and does seriouse damage (more lands taken, kills, destroyed military infrastructure) I will sincerely believe that current government and ones in charge of Armenia are enemies of the state

[burjuin]

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[Azad]

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I will sincerely believe that current government and ones in charge of Armenia are enemies of the state

I do not get involved in local politics since I have no clue. Having said that, if pro western is in control they will hand all of Artsakh to the azeris.
Also, I heard many times Armenians mocking the ruling "Artsaktsi". If the natives of Artsakh are "enemies of the state" as in they do not care, whom will? It is war, we are facing a large turkic expansion from all sides with lots of Petro dollars pouring in while they buy advance armaments. We need to stay united to survive in that environment. Let us not mix corruption with national interest. My two cents.

[haydavid]

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So they chip away at Artsakh one hill at a time? If next time Armenia doesn't get serious with a counter attack and does seriouse damage (more lands taken, kills, destroyed military infrastructure) I will sincerely believe that current government and ones in charge of Armenia are enemies of the state

Give alternatives.
I'm tired of hearing this everytime. What can we do ? What should have been done in April ? Tell me .

[londontsi]

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Give alternatives.
I'm tired of hearing this everytime. What can we do ? What should have been done in April ? Tell me .

The initial April offensive was a surprise and its not surprising the enemy made certain inroads.
It appears the sloppy management of our army contributed to the above.
I stress the management and not the fighting spirit of our boys.

Our side took a day or two to counter attack causing significant casualties to the enemy.
Considering the desperate pleas of the sultan for cease fire, one has to confidently assume
the enemy was wrong footed and would not be able to handle what would follow.

There is no dispute to the above.

What followed.
Our chief of staff was called to Moscow to have a meeting with his opposite number for cease fire.
If I remember correctly our chief of staff said, “Putin asked ( or ordered ) a cease fire therefore we stopped the fight.”
No demand in exchange for cease fire at least withdrawal to the original line of contact.

It also appears all this happened above the heads of Serj Sargissyan and Bako Sahagyan.
Then started the clumsy lies justification with more lies etc.

Negotiators are conditioned to defend their interests as an instinct.
And yet our chief of staff made agreements without any consideration of the reality on the ground.

What could have been done?

How about insist enemy withdraws to the original LOC.
Use delaying tactics to secure one or two strategic positions to disable the enemy with its adventurism.

Accepting a cease fire while the enemy is in pain to our disadvantage is simply stupidly incompetent.

One has to ask, haven't these Generals been in a fight as kids because kids wouldn't have done such a mistake.

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[haydavid]

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The initial April offensive was a surprise and its not surprising the enemy made certain inroads.
It appears the sloppy management of our army contributed to the above.
I stress the management and not the fighting spirit of our boys.

Our side took a day or two to counter attack causing significant casualties to the enemy.
Considering the desperate pleas of the sultan for cease fire, one has to confidently assume
the enemy was wrong footed and would not be able to handle what would follow.

There is no dispute to the above.

What followed.
Our chief of staff was called to Moscow to have a meeting with his opposite number for cease fire.
If I remember correctly our chief of staff said, “Putin asked ( or ordered ) a cease fire therefore we stopped the fight.”
No demand in exchange for cease fire at least withdrawal to the original line of contact.

It also appears all this happened above the heads of Serj Sargissyan and Bako Sahagyan.
Then started the clumsy lies justification with more lies etc.

Negotiators are conditioned to defend their interests as an instinct.
And yet our chief of staff made agreements without any consideration of the reality on the ground.

What could have been done?

How about insist enemy withdraws to the original LOC.
Use delaying tactics to secure one or two strategic positions to disable the enemy with its adventurism.

Accepting a cease fire while the enemy is in pain to our disadvantage is simply stupidly incompetent.

One has to ask, haven't these Generals been in a fight as kids because kids wouldn't have done such a mistake.

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Sure , and the Azeris would have given back the lands. That's not how it works.
If we didn't accept the ceasefire we still would be a war.
Our government may be corrupt and arseholes but they are not stupid. If that hill was so important we would not have accepted the ceasefire.
We only lost ONE hill against a full-scale assault that was unexpected. I don't even blame the managment. It's a wonder we haven't lost more.

[armnuke]

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irregardless, It just doesn't settle well with me knowing we lost territory and it is being spun as some kind of victory some thing not right about that kind of propaganda

You fell for it. That's what the Azeris want and they're using their media for that purpose.