Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[burjuin]

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[DieHard69]

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The role of Iran is very important regarding the military balance. And we are also discussing events of the war. There is the problem?

All I see is a chunk of us thinking Russia is a good ally and the other chunk believes Iran is a better ally and then we went on all about history on who's good or bad and dragged on to something that should be in the Armenian history category rather than the current situation of artsak, that is what I am complaining about.

[DieHard69]

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Guys, someone changed our T-72's to 200+ to 102+ and there are some strange weaponry added to our inventory like 8 Chinese AR1A and 12 Russian BM-27 Uragan which is awesome but I have never heard of these until now, the BM-27 Uragan was ordered in 2011 as the wikipedia states, also remove those T-80's there is no source stating we had them.

[Lori]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Guys, someone changed our T-72's to 200+ to 102+ and there are some strange weaponry added to our inventory like 8 Chinese AR1A and 12 Russian BM-27 Uragan which is awesome but I have never heard of these until now, the BM-27 Uragan was ordered in 2011 as the wikipedia states, also remove those T-80's there is no source stating we had them.

AR1A is a debunked rumor, Uragan has no source, somebody removed it. The number for the T-72s was never sourced. Just made up. The true number of T72s is talked about in the side description box and is sourced. The source for the T-80s is at the top of the chart. Its not an online source, though.

Handling that page has become so tiresome. Somebody just keeps on vandalizing it with unsourced material. They then copy all of the material on the Army article and Air force article and paste the charts into the Armed Forces page. They clearly don't know when to stop or when is enough is enough. I've already contacted the admins on Wikipedia but they are slow to react. This person refuses to use the talk pages as well. Literally the one thing that makes Wikipedia so awful sometimes. The burden of proof lies with the editor, yet this person doesn't seem to understand that at all.

Wikipedia is a wealth of factual, sourced information, and truth. Not a place to play dik-waving contests. Nobody cares about how many tanks Armenia has other than her patriots. Nobody is stunned or impressed by big untrue numbers. Just stick to facts. (I guess this is towards whoever is making all of these idiotic edits) Nobody goes on there to make X nation look strong or weak, as many have suggested.

And to whoever is Achemish, thanks for all the hard work you put into the page as of late.

[Azad]

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Since the last visit of Netanyahou with aliyev their love affair is turning to a hate affair.
azeri's rapprochement with Iran is making the western shekelists furious. Their propaganda services is turning on the hand that fed them caviar for years.

https://qz.com/925067/the-trump-orga...he-new-yorker/

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...mps-worst-deal

^^^ Holy shut the news is going hard mainstream on all the shekelists "CNNs". aliyev should be fuming.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-organi...tionary-564387

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/bom...-terror-group/

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/06/...rest-mammadov/

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...ump-tower-baku

http://www.inquisitr.com/4038473/don...s-impeachment/

[bayhye]

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According to the Transparency International Corruption Perception Index, Azerbaijan is among the most corrupt nations in the world. Its President, Ilham Aliyev, the son of the former President Heydar Aliyev, recently appointed his wife to be Vice-President.

ahahahahahhaha

[Achemish]

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AR1A is a debunked rumor, Uragan has no source, somebody removed it. The number for the T-72s was never sourced. Just made up. The true number of T72s is talked about in the side description box and is sourced. The source for the T-80s is at the top of the chart. Its not an online source, though.

Handling that page has become so tiresome. Somebody just keeps on vandalizing it with unsourced material. They then copy all of the material on the Army article and Air force article and paste the charts into the Armed Forces page. They clearly don't know when to stop or when is enough is enough. I've already contacted the admins on Wikipedia but they are slow to react. This person refuses to use the talk pages as well. Literally the one thing that makes Wikipedia so awful sometimes. The burden of proof lies with the editor, yet this person doesn't seem to understand that at all.

Wikipedia is a wealth of factual, sourced information, and truth. Not a place to play dik-waving contests. Nobody cares about how many tanks Armenia has other than her patriots. Nobody is stunned or impressed by big untrue numbers. Just stick to facts. (I guess this is towards whoever is making all of these idiotic edits) Nobody goes on there to make X nation look strong or weak, as many have suggested.

And to whoever is Achemish, thanks for all the hard work you put into the page as of late.

Can't really take credit for much work, all I did was go back in history and check when the bs info started getting added and essentially revert it back to then, and clean it up a bit. Hopefully that keeps the page in better shape for now.

[Lori]

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According to the Transparency International Corruption Perception Index, Azerbaijan is among the most corrupt nations in the world. Its President, Ilham Aliyev, the son of the former President Heydar Aliyev, recently appointed his wife to be Vice-President.

ahahahahahhaha

I read about that appointing. How can anybody take such a country seriously? Those nutters make Kim Jong Un look like Otto von Bismarck.

[Hakob]

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“We believe that the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict can be settled. It’s evident in results of multiple meetings, which led to mutual understanding in the issues important for the settlement,” Sergey Lavrov said.

According to him, those are issues such as “security, humanity, return of certain NK areas and definition of the status of Nagorno-Karabakh”.

“We agree on most of those points,” Sergey Lavrov noted. “However, there are two or three topics, key parts of the final package, which are still being discussed. To be honest, we are far from the time when the conflict parties form a common approach to these aspects.”

Elmar Mammadyarov noted that Russia takes serious measures towards settlement of the NK issue.

“We discussed in detail today the direction we need to move in. There are some preconditions, more or less,” said Azerbaijani Foreign Minister.
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So, basicslly Lavrov is still voicing his plan, which means that Russia has not yet given up of using Artsakh to bring Azerbaijan under complete controll.
For this plan we say "Հարսի ոռով ուզում ա փեսուն լավություն անի։".
Let's see what is lavrov talking about, what points there are to agree, while Mamediarov is sticking his head out from under Lavrov's armpit with agreement? What base points?
1) Security... who's talking about security, Azeris? What Kind of security can Azerbaijan and it's main weapons supplier guarantee above what our army does for us? Nothing more....
2) Humanity... ??? Even any civilized country like ones in Europe have never proven of any reliable or valuable human values to bank on humanity's name let alone Russia (no offense, but expecting anything meaningful will be brainless from our part). But talking about this with azery on his side? Makes the whole thing a clownade doesn't it?
3) "Return of certain NK areas"... Ahhhaaa... here is all the talk about. Լավրովի ամբողջ փորացավը էս ա...
This is what all about Lavrov and Mamefiucov talk seriosely and want to agree badly.
If our government does not put a stop to this and withdraw itself from it, then we can expect it to be a part of a clownade that only leads to dead end.
Azerbaijan will come out with gains and territory. Russia will come out of it with better position in Caucasus and Azerbaijan under armpit and Armenia under it's feet.
What will we get from it? "Humanity" and "Security" expressed in Russian and Turkish.
Are we going to be fooled?
4) The status of Nagorno Karabakh... the last point.
This status has been clearly set and cemented by blood of 10000 of our heroes. Does it need any clarification or Russo/Turkish approval?
Not if we call our selfs "A suverain Nation".
No deal, no deal...

Last thing I want to mention is Russia supposedly saving us with giving iskanders and smerches.
It is a conduct between two geopolitical allies that without it was evidencing the naked truth of Russia arming Azerbaijan out of controll and balance and seriousely creating a headache of widescale Caucasus war which did not need itself at the first place.
What Russia does not mind is a slow, nerve racking and all absorbing conflict between us and Azeris that soon or later will make one side to blink and give up.
From what it looks, it's the most nerve racking for us because we get hurt with each dead young man.
But if we blink and put our head under Lavrov's other arm, then we will withness second "Kars agreement". Another "humanity and security" in Russian/Turkish style.
We cannot blink even.

[burjuin]

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