Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[arakeretzig]

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Armenia's soft and non-aggressive attitude will costs it alot. it's time we wake the hell up and show some balls.

[ArmeniaR1]

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Armenia's soft and non-aggressive attitude will costs it alot. it's time we wake the hell up and show some balls.

Sept 21 parade, we"ll show them some balls, then azeris know what balls they suck in a new war, but honestly
I don't believe they start a new war, they will lose to much for nothing, they believe Armenia will give up free land if they show us some "new weapons".............

[Eddo211]

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^^We are slow learners. Sure, we don't want to get stepped on by the Bear but remember the universal law: The squicky wheel gets the Grease. You don't make noise you get nothing.

We gotta take whats ours and loose this victim mentality that has plagued our people. We are capable of so much more.

[burjuin]

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[londontsi]

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Armenia's soft and non-aggressive attitude will costs it alot. it's time we wake the hell up and show some balls.

Armenia is not non-aggressive.

I heard (on TV) Seyran Ohanyan explaining the Armenian position regarding the Azeri attacks.
"Always we shall retaliate until they have a higher number of casualties."
He added, he had informed the OSCE peace monitors as well.
Presumably they have passed this to the Azeri.

If there has to be another war, its best the Azeri started it.

In a war you have two fronts, the military and the political front.
In order to declare yourself a victor you have to win both wars.
This is why I think, if the Azeri start a war, as the aggressor, they will have to live with its consequences.

[Armanen]

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As our ally Russia should be supplying us only, especially when it comes to sophisticated weapons. Or is Russia also Azerbaijan's ally now? Azerbaijan is not part of CSTO and they get same weapons as we do - what's up with that??

Why does the US supply both israel and saudi arabia? It is common for countries with a large armament industry to sell to both sides, and Russia is not the only one who does it. At least Armenia gets its weapons for cheap or free.

[Mos]

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Why does the US supply both israel and saudi arabia? It is common for countries with a large armament industry to sell to both sides, and Russia is not the only one who does it. At least Armenia gets its weapons for cheap or free.

Though Israel and Saudi Arabia are not enemies like Armenia and Azerbaijan. Both are afraid of Iran, and US is utilising that fear.

Talking about soldier quality:

Armenian army among best in post-Soviet area, expert says

March 02, 2011 | 14:31
Armenia has a very good army. The armies of Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh are copies of the Soviet army with its best traditions, Igor Korotchenko, a member of the Public Council, Russian Ministry of Defense, Editor-in-Chief of the National Defense magazine, said in an interview with Golos Rossii (Voice of Russia) radio. As regards the most efficient armies of the former USSR, he also named the armies of Belarus and Kazakhstan.

Korotchenko stressed that Azerbaijan`s military budget is larger in terms of the budget/GDP ratio now than the Georgia military budget in 2008. However, the Azerbaijani army is inferior to the Armenian army in terms of moral and efficiency despite the fact the Azerbaijani army is technically better equipped.

A rather risky situation may develop. Baku may resort to a military settlement of the conflict due to the fact that its army is formally better equipped, the expert said.

As regards the possibility of hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh, the expert does not rule it out. However, neither Turkey nor NATO, or Russia or the United States needs a military conflict in the region. "We do not need a new Armenian-Azerbaijani war," the expert said.

[Armanen]

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Though Israel and Saudi Arabia are not enemies like Armenia and Azerbaijan. Both are afraid of Iran, and US is utilising that fear.

Talking about soldier quality:

Saudi Arabia does not recognize israel, they are known to fund terrorists, and a joo can not enter saudi arabia. At least azerbaboonistan recognizes Armenia.

[Joseph]

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Why does the US supply both israel and saudi arabia? It is common for countries with a large armament industry to sell to both sides, and Russia is not the only one who does it. At least Armenia gets its weapons for cheap or free.

Agree. Not much we can do and this is not the perfect situation. Most of these Russian enterprises are privately run and can basically sell (and they certainly do) to whoever they want and whoever has the capacity to pay without any interference from the state. As long as they pay their tax burden and provide the adequate kickbacks to gov't officials, etc, they will be allowed to do whatever they please. One thing I have noticed (and this alluded to in a few article and in this thread) is that whenever Russia sells equipment to Turkey or Azerbaijan, they generally provide equipment to Armenia in return for free or at a deep discount. Often times they even provide the antidote to the material sent; for instance providing Armenia anti-aircraft weapons from the state if one of their companies sells say jets or helicopters to Azerbaijan. Armenia is a strategic base for Russian interests so I do not think Armenia will be kept even remotely defenseless. In fact, the Russians have created somewhat of a detente between Armenia and Azerbaijan (which serves Russian interests) though Armenia should never cease to acquire armaments and more sophisticated equipment. I also think that complaining too loud could be counterproductive. It is better for Armenia to work clandestinely with the Russia in this regard. Furthermore, making a few smaller acquisitions for certain components from South Africa, France and/or Germany would serve Armenia well. The diaspora should facilitate this process (some did during the 1992-1994 period). Also, the head of Sukhoi is from Artsakh. I believe Armenia should try harder to facilitate a relationship with that very powerful company. Additionally, as stated in the new Defense Agreement with Russia, I believe Russia is going to invest and partake in the Armenian Defense industry. If I am not mistaken, Armenia can already provide for much of its own ammunition. It would be nice to see a re-vamped defense logistics, computer, and radar industry back up and running. Armenia was at the forefront of Soviet defense research and development until about the mid-80's. This would also help forestall any further "brain drain" and could even urge the Armenian scientific community to return and be part of the initiative. It is great to receive equipment from Russia for free or at a deep discount but it would be nice to be further integrated into the Russian defense industry, possibly at a co-productionalist level and perhaps be able to be part of the export network.

[Armanen]

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Agree. Not much we can do and this is not the perfect situation. Most of these Russian enterprises are privately run and can basically sell (and they certainly do) to whoever they want and whoever has the capacity to pay without any interference from the state. As long as they pay their tax burden and provide the adequate kickbacks to gov't officials, etc, they will be allowed to do whatever they please. One thing I have noticed (and this alluded to in a few article and in this thread) is that whenever Russia sells equipment to Turkey or Azerbaijan, they generally provide equipment to Armenia in return for free or at a deep discount. Often times they even provide the antidote to the material sent; for instance providing Armenia anti-aircraft weapons from the state if one of their companies sells say jets or helicopters to Azerbaijan. Armenia is a strategic base for Russian interests so I do not think Armenia will be kept even remotely defenseless. In fact, the Russians have created somewhat of a detente between Armenia and Azerbaijan (which serves Russian interests) though Armenia should never cease to acquire armaments and more sophisticated equipment. I also think that complaining too loud could be counterproductive. It is better for Armenia to work clandestinely with the Russia in this regard. Furthermore, making a few smaller acquisitions for certain components from South Africa, France and/or Germany would serve Armenia well. The diaspora should facilitate this process (some did during the 1992-1994 period). Also, the head of Sukhoi is from Artsakh. I believe Armenia should try harder to facilitate a relationship with that very powerful company. Additionally, as stated in the new Defense Agreement with Russia, I believe Russia is going to invest and partake in the Armenian Defense industry. If I am not mistaken, Armenia can already provide for much of its own ammunition. It would be nice to see a re-vamped defense logistics, computer, and radar industry back up and running. Armenia was at the forefront of Soviet defense research and development until about the mid-80's. This would also help forestall any further "brain drain" and could even urge the Armenian scientific community to return and be part of the initiative. It is great to receive equipment from Russia for free or at a deep discount but it would be nice to be further integrated into the Russian defense industry, possibly at a co-productionalist level and perhaps be able to be part of the export network.

My understanding is that the Armenian Ministry of Defense are indeed working on most of the things you mentioned in conjunction with the Russian Ministry of Defense. Two agreements, the one signed last August, and another signed in December of 2009, laid out what you described above (for the most part).