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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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  • Gogorig, Copyaste ara, votch te gab tir tourkagan gaykerin++++

    Azerbaijan In Pursuit of American Weapons

    WASHINGTON DC. August 3, 2011: The US has never been a supplier of weapons to Azerbaijan. What the Pentagon has done is set up a number of military training programs with this Caspian country, which focus on the country’s self-defense on the Caspian, border security, as well as preparing the Azeris for deployment to Iraq and Afghanistan. TURAN has learned from Washington DC-based sources, the idea of buying American weapons was always a red line of the US-Azeri relations. Recently Azerbaijan again began a serious push to get the US provide it with "defense weapons," in particular, air defense and anti-tank systems.

    “Azeri lobbyists and their allies in the US capital received a new assignment from Baku – target getting American weapons for Azerbaijan”, the source said.

    “Several years ago, this issue almost defined the US-Azeri relationship, but back then, Baku
    stepped down after understanding that they couldn’t afford American weaponry on their own”, one of Azerbaijan’s former lobbyists told TURAN’s correspondent, adding, now, Azeri supporters in Washington are arguing that the oil-reach country doesn’t need the US to give them the weapons as aid, they can buy the weaponry.

    Meanwhile, E. Wayne Merry, senior fellow for Europe and Eurasia at the American Foreign Policy Council in Washington DC, says that the US has a long-standing policy -- extending over the past three Administrations -- not to introduce lethal equipment into the regional conflicts in the Caucasus.

    “For that reason, the US does not sell weaponry to either Azerbaijan, or Armenia. The US does work with both countries in a range of non-lethal aspects of military-to-military cooperation, either of a bilateral character or within the Partnership for Peace program of NATO”, Merry, who served in the State and Defense Departments for many years, told TURAN’s Washington DC correspondent.

    “Military sales to foreign countries are governed by US law and must receive approval from the State and Defense Departments so that they will be consistent with US policies and interests. In the case of Azerbaijan, as equally with Armenia, the governing policy is not to contribute to an ongoing conflict through military sales, but to contribute to a diplomatic solution. What those countries do with other states is, of course, a matter for them to decide”, he added.

    Jon Chicky is a military member of the faculty of the National War College in Washington, DC.
    In an interview with TURAN’s correspondent, Mr. Chicky explains more details.

    Question: Oil-rich Azerbaijan complains that the US doesn’t sell it weapons and military equipment, although there is high-level security cooperation between the two countries. In one of his latest statements president Aliyev mentioned that when it comes to Azerbaijan, the military cooperation is only formal, and US military weapons, such as helicopters, airplanes (F-16), Patriot etc. are out of Azerbaijan’s reach. What are the reasons here? Are there any restrictions in the US laws in terms of selling weapons to countries like Azerbaijan?

    Answer: First, I would like to state that views presented in this interview are my own and do not reflect those of the National Defense University, the Department of Defense, or the US Government. There is essentially one reason why Azerbaijan has been unable to acquire weapon systems from the United States. It is Section 907 of the FREEDOM Support Act (Public Law 102-511). Section 907 was enacted in 1992 and restricts Azerbaijan from acquiring weapon systems from the United States. While this piece of legislation has been and remains controversial, it is the law and can only be repealed by the Congress. In 2002, Section 907 was amended to where the President of the United States can waive (both President Bush and Obama have used this waiver every year since 2002) the restrictions in the original legislation under the following conditions: "The President may waive section 907 of the FREEDOM Support Act if he determines and certifies to the Committees on Appropriations that to do so--(A) is necessary to support United States efforts to counter international terrorism; or (B) is necessary to support the operational readiness of United States Armed Forces or coalition partners to counter international terrorism; or (C) is important to Azerbaijan's border security; and (D) will not
    undermine or hamper ongoing efforts to negotiate a peaceful settlement between Armenia and Azerbaijan or be used for offensive purposes against Armenia." Because of the United States’ interest in a peaceful resolution to the Mountainous Karabakh conflict, US officials keep this final criterion in mind regarding defense cooperation with Armenia as well, and apply an even-handed approach in their work with the two countries.

    What are the criteria for Azerbaijan to be able to buy the US weapons? Can any country that has money buy weapons from the US?

    There are a myriad of laws, regulations, and provisions that govern what weapons can be sold and/or provided. The Department of State's Bureau of Political-Military Affairs oversees the government-to-government and commercial company-to-government transactions. Beyond the legal/legislative aspects of which country can or cannot acquire US weapons technology, there are other factors of whether U.S. weapon systems are the right fit for a particular country. Issues such as purchase costs, compatibility with other (communication) systems, maintenance costs, etc. For example, if a country already possessing Soviet-era weapons were to acquire US small arms (e.g. automatic rifles) then this purchase would necessitate a large scale purchase of ammunition as US ammunition is of a different size than what is used in Soviet/Russian weapons. Ammunition is expensive and given training and operational needs, the ammunition required for these weapons can be large and thus costly.

    When looking at the Caucasus situation, US diplomacy has always been against weaponisation. Does the US prioritize any of the South Caucasus countries in terms of military cooperation? Also, what do you think about the fact that Azerbaijan is buying military weapons that we've mentioned above from Russia and Iran?

    Not surprisingly, much of US security assistance efforts worldwide are focused on assisting countries who have forces with the NATO ISAF mission in Afghanistan. All three South Caucasus countries have contingents in Afghanistan. Given Georgia has the largest contingent in Afghanistan of the three South Caucasus states it receives the largest share of the regional defense-military assistance from the US.
    This assistance is focused on defense institution building and coalition operations. As to Azerbaijan's purchase of military equipment from other countries, Azerbaijan is a sovereign state and it has to decide what defense systems it needs and from whom. That being said, Azerbaijan should be cognizant of its Conventional Armed Forces in Europe (CFE) limits when contemplating future equipment purchases as well as other international norms and practices.

    Although the US doesn’t sell weapons to Azerbaijan, American soldiers have helped Azerbaijan in military modernization. What are the conditions to enlarge this cooperation?

    Essentially, the conditions lie within the defense leadership of both countries. While the United States may not presently be in a position to provide major weapons/defense articles to Azerbaijan given existing US laws, there are other areas where our defense-military cooperation can exist. As has been reported, there have been several meetings over the past year seeking ways to expand the defense-military relationship. One aspect of US defense cooperation over the past years has been to assist Azerbaijan in achieving its NATO Individual Partnership Action Plan (IPAP) goals. Another aspect is to have Azerbaijan send military officers and defense ministry civilians to US military academic institutions. This is one area that Azerbaijan could use its own financial resources to acquire additional student positions in these institutions. A strong command of English is a major requirement for attendance in our military colleges and universities. The US and Azerbaijan are also cooperating in Azerbaijan’s efforts to increase its capacity to protect critical energy infrastructure (Turan).


    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      Կդիմի՞ Ադրբեջանը այդ ռիսկին

      EurasiaNet-ը հաղորդում է, որ IMINT & Analysis կատարել է Հայաստանի և Ադրբեջանի հակաօդային պաշտպանության վերաբերյալ ռազմական վերլուծություն Google Earth արբանյակի միջոցով: Ինչպես գրում է պարբերականը, Ադրբեջանի տարատեսակ համակարգերին նայելիս, Հայաստանի համար լավ լուր չկա:

      “Այս լավ կազմակերպված քողարկված հակաօդային պաշտպանության համակարգը կզրկի Հայաստանին որևէ օպերացիայի շանսից Ադրբեջանի տարածքում, Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի սահմանի երկայնքով: Նրա օդային ուժերը կծածկեն բոլոր բացերը, եթե Հայաստանը հուսահատ միջոցների դիմի հավելյալ կորուստներ պատճառելու նպատակով: Ներկա դրությամբ, Հայաստանի սահմանափակ օդային ուժերը ոչ մի ռեալ վտանգ չեն ներկայացնում Ադրբեջանի տարածքին հարվածելու համար, միակ սպառնալիքը կարող են լինել Հայաստանի R-17 ՍԿԱԴ հրթիռները”:

      ՍԿԱԴ հրթիռները կարող են օգտագործվել Բաքվի նավթային ենթակառուցվածքների վրա հարձակման համար:

      Վերլուծությունը շարունակում է. “Բոլոր գերտերությունները հետաքրքրված են նավթով հարուստ այս տարածքով, և ներկայում ամերիկյան շահերը օգնել են զարգացնելու Ադրբեջանի նավատորմի մի մասը ռադարներով, ռազմական վերահսկողությամբ և բազմաթիվ համատեղ զորավարժություններով: Հայաստանի սահմանափակ թվով բալիստիկ հրթիռները Ադրբեջանին միայն հոգեբանական վնաս կհասցնեն և չեն կարող երաշխավորել նավթի դաշտերի ընդհանուր ոչնչացումը”: Վերլուծության հեղինակները կարծում են, որ Ադրբեջանի S-300 հրթիռները R-17 դեմ անհրաժեշտ ունակություններ ունեն:

      Այս ամենը ճշմարիտ կլիներ, եթե իհարկե Հայաստանը որոշեր Ադրբեջանի սկսած պատերազմը վերսկսել: Իսկ Հայաստանի հակաօդային պաշտպանությունը դեռևս չափազանց ուժեղ է, որպեսզի Ադրբեջանը հաջող հարձակում կարողանա իրագործել:

      Ավելի վաղ հրապարակված զեկույցի համաձայն, Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի հակաօդային պաշտպանությունը զսպիչ դեր կարող է խաղալ հետագա ագրեսիայի դեմ:

      Ընդհանուր առմամբ, Հայաստանի հակաօդային պաշտպանությունը կարծես թե առողջ է` հաշվի առնելով այն վտանգները, որոնք նրան սպառնում են: Հայաստանի հրթիռային համակարգը ավելի առաջադեմ է կրուիզ հրթիռների և ժամանակակից կործանիչ ինքնաթիռների դեմ պայքարում, քան Իրանի համակարգը:

      Արդիականացումը Հայաստանի համար անհրաժեշտություն է, քանի որ այն անխուսափելիորեն կօգնի Հայաստանին իրեն ապահովել ժամանակակից հրթիռային համակարգով, որը հույս չի դնի Ռուսաստանի աջակցության վրա:

      Իհարկե, դժվար է պատկերացնել, որ Թուրքիան օդային հարձակում իրականացնի Հայաստանի դեմ: Զեկույցը հստակ նշում է, որ Արևելյան Հայաստանը լավ ծածկված չէ հրթիռային համակարգով և կարող է խոցելի լինել Ադրբեջանի օդային հարձակման դեպքում: Սակայն սա կարող է ավելի լայնացնել պատերազմը, ինչը Ադրբեջանը չի ցանկանա: Հայաստանի դեմ հարձակումը կարող է գործի դնել նաև Հավաքական Անվտանգության Պայմանագրի հավաքական պաշպանության ապահովումը և Ռուսաստանին և այլ ՀԱՊԿ անդամ պետություններին կռվի մեջ ներքաշել: Կդիմի՞ Ադրբեջանը այս ռիսկին:


      • Re: Gogorig, Copyaste ara, votch te gab tir tourkagan gaykerin++++

        Մոսկվան պատերա՞զմ է ուզում

        Ռուսաստանյան այսպես կոչված փորձագիտական եւ քաղաքագիտական շրջանակները իսկական գրոհ են սկսել Ղարաբաղյան կարգավորման ուղղությամբ: Այս քարոզչական գրոհի էությունը հետեւյալն է` եթե կողմերը չեն ընդունում ՌԴ նախագահ Մեդվեդեւի առաջարկները, ապա հնարավոր է պատերազմի վերսկսում:

        Կազանում տեղի ունեցած եռակողմ հանդիպումն ավարտվեց անարդյունք, ըստ պաշտոնական վարկածի` Ադրբեջանի նախագահ Իլհամ Ալիեւի մերժման պատճառով: Ալիեւը այդ հանդիպումից հետո ներկայացրեց առաջարկվող փաստաթղթում 10 փոփոխություններ, որոնք, ամենայն հավանականությամբ, ներառվել են Մեդվեդեւի նոր առաջարկներում: Դա է վկայում Բաքվի դրական վերաբերմունքը նոր փաստաթղթին: Ըստ այդմ, նման փաստաթուղթը չի կարող դրական ընդունվել հայկական կողմից, քանի որ բոլորին է հայտնի Բաքվի պաշտոնական դիրքորոշումը:

        Ստացվում է տպավորություն, որ Մոսկվան ամեն անգամ առաջարկում է այնպիսի փաստաթուղթ, որն անընդունելի է հակամարտության կողմերից մեկի համար: Դրա իմաստը կարող է լինել հետեւյալը` կողմերին հրել ռազմական բախման, մեծացնելով դիմակայության աստիճանը եւ ռազմական հռետորաբանությունը: Ինչը նկատելի է ներկայում:

        Ինչու է Մոսկվային անհրաժեշտ պատերազմը: Դրա պատասխանը, որն ըստ էության նորություն չէ, հստակ բանաձեւել է ռուսաստանցի ռազմական փորձագետ Պավել Ֆելգենգաուերը Ազատություն ռադիոկայանին տված հարցազրույցում. “Եթե Ռուսաստանը գործընթացի շրջանակներում կարողանա հակամարտության գոտում տեղակայել իր զորքերը, ապա դա լավ կլինի նրա համար: Ռուսաստանը դա միշտ է ցանկացել, սկսած 1994 թվականից»:

        Ռուսաստանը անխուսափելիորեն կորցնում է Կովկասը, չնայած Հայաստանում նրան է պատկանում ողջ ենթակառուցվածքը, տնտեսությունը, քաղաքական համակարգը, ինչպես նաեւ տեղակայված է ռազմական բազան, ինչպես նաեւ` Ղարաբաղյան կարգավորման “բանալին”, ինչում համոզված են Մոսկվայում եւ Երեւանի քաղաքական շրջանակներում: Կովկասը չկորցնելու համար Ռուսաստանին անհրաժեշտ է զորք մտցնել հակամարտության գոտի, մանավանդ Ղարաբաղի` Իրանի հետ սահմանակից տարածքները: Ըստ էության, Ղարաբաղյան խնդիրը մինչ օրս չի լուծվել նաեւ այն պատճառով, որ կարգավորման շահագրգիռ կողմերը` ԱՄՆ, Եվրոպան եւ Ռուսաստանը, համաձայնության չեն գալիս հենց այսպես կոչված խաղաղապահ զորքի կազմի հարցում: Առավել եւս, Արեւմուտքը թույլ չի տալիս ռուսական ռազմական դոմինանտությունը հետկարգավորման շրջանում: Փաստացի, իր նպատակն իրագործելու համար միակ ելքը մնում է պատերազմը:


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          Soldier Jailed For Life Over Karabakh Shooting Spree

          Nagorno-Karabakh - Manvel Hazroyan (second from right) is sentenced to life in prison for killing four fellow soldiers and wounding three others in November 2010, 03Aug2011.
          Lusine Musayelian

          An Armenian soldier was sentenced to life imprisonment on Wednesday for killing four fellow servicemen and wounding three others at a military base in Nagorno-Karabakh last November.

          A court in Stepanakert found Manvel Hazroyan guilty of multiple murder and breach of combat duty at the end of a trial during which he admitted to the charges.

          According to the official theory of the November 19 incident confirmed by Hazroyan, the 20-year-old conscript went on a shooting spree after he felt that he was gravely offended by one of his victims.

          The latter is said to have shouted abuse after discovering that his music player earphones used by other soldiers from his unit are broken. Hazroyan, who was arrested immediately after the shootings, told prosecutors and the court that he thought the insult was addressed to him.

          Despite pleading guilty, the defendant reacted furiously to the announcement of the verdict, swearing and hurling a plastic bottle at the presiding judge, Hamlet Davtian. He said he should have been given a milder prison sentence.

          Hazroyan was immediately overpowered and hit by security officers present in the courtroom. His defense lawyer, Edmond Marukian, was manhandled by one of the officers after telling them to stop the violence.

          Speaking to RFE/RL’s Armenian service afterwards, Marukian criticized the trial and the investigation that preceded it as flawed. He said investigators failed to fully clarify “the motives for the crime.”

          “The motives suggested now either do not correspond to reality or, if they do, Manvel Hazroyan is mentally ill,” Marukian said, complaining that the court rejected his demand to subject his client to psychiatric and psychological examination.

          The lawyer also said that army conscripts should not be sentenced to life in prison in principle, because of their young age. “And just sentencing them without identifying the root causes of crimes committed by them and understanding that they are the result of the situation in the army is not a solution to the problem,” he added.

          The Karabakh Armenian army was hit by a similar deadly incident in August 2010. It left one officer and five soldiers dead. Military investigators said one of those soldiers gunned down the others before taking his own life.

          The shock shootings were grim reminders of chronic abuses in the closely integrated armed forces of Armenia and Karabakh. The problem has had a greater public resonance in the past year, leading military authorities in Yerevan and Stepanakert to promise a tougher crackdown on violent army crime.

          Dozens of military personnel have been arrested, fired or demoted since August 2010. Still, human rights groups and families of dead soldiers continue to assert that the military authorities are not doing enough to tackle the problem and are even covering up murders.

          An Armenian soldier was sentenced to life imprisonment on Wednesday for killing four fellow servicemen and wounding three others at a military base in Nagorno-Karabakh last November.
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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            Originally posted by Federate View Post
            Soldier Jailed For Life Over Karabakh Shooting Spree
            what a waste of lives and money! so much idiocy involved in this by all parties it boggles the mind.


            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

              Armenian Army:


              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                Originally posted by Joseph View Post
                He was banned for the following reasons:

                1. He was actually a Turk impostor posing as an Armenians (Turkish IP address)-off to a bad start immediately.
                2. If you read his comments, none made sense or pertained to the topic being discussed. The usually consisted of one or two lines of gibberish.
                If these are the real reasons then i understand your action.


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                  Ok so i just read that he is Armenian, and i went to check his youtube page. Looks like he is although he got no skills with that svd lol! I still think you should raise ban and let him comeback. I am not sure why i cant log in into my older accnt but thats fine , after all i am your enemy one way or another, but to do that to your own because he said something you didnt like is just weak.


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                    Originally posted by Unwanted View Post
                    Ok so i just read that he is Armenian, and i went to check his youtube page. Looks like he is although he got no skills with that svd lol! I still think you should raise ban and let him comeback. I am not sure why i cant log in into my older accnt but thats fine , after all i am your enemy one way or another, but to do that to your own because he said something you didnt like is just weak.
                    What's weak? because someone posts off topic and call people gay for no reason..? It has nothing to do with being an Armenian or not but bout hes comments, and you're not the right person to tell us here, ban some one or not...
                    Lets get on topic.


                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Originally posted by ArmeniaR1 View Post
                      What's weak? because someone posts off topic and call people gay for no reason..? It has nothing to do with being an Armenian or not but bout hes comments, and you're not the right person to tell us here, ban some one or not...
                      Lets get on topic.
                      You cant take criticism and thats why you are weak, besides as i stated before it doesnt matter if he is gay or not. At some point gays try harder to reach their goals than others (trust me i wouldnt underestimate him as acommander just because he is gay). And another users here said he was banned for being Turkish, or using turkish IPadress. So make up your mind why you ban people? You want everything to stay perfect but nothing and none is perfect.
                      As for me telling you what to do, this is not the case. i am also a registered user of this site and i am entitled to my opinion. You guys sound just like the government that tries to hide negative aspects of its citizens.

                      I am for honesty , fairness and truth. Regardless who's is it i Armenian Albanian or Azerbaijani.