Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[arakeretzig]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Also, a Turkish F-16 (flown by a baboon to top it off) is no match against an Iranian F-14.

can you elaborate?

[Eddo211]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

can you elaborate?

Assuming same pilot abilities (which would be a grave mistake) the current Iranian F-14s have longer missile range intersept, flies faster, can fly slower maintaing control, is more manoeuverable in close range engagements, can stay airborn longer, and has a rear (second crewmember, navigator/weapons officer).

[Spetsnaz]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

So, Azerbaijan would like to buy F-16s from Turkey but they must still ask permission from the US and NATO for a transfer to Azerbaijan.

Turkey has made several versions of the F-16 and we do not know which version they would be allowed to sell to Azerbaijan, if any:

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article21.html

What does the F-16 purchase do for the turks?

1) NATO interoperability. The Azeris can now send F-16s to NATO missions like the war against Libya and be best friends with NATO.

2) A separate chain of resupply. Turkey (and Israel) can supply equipment to the turks so if Russia ever cuts them off they still have another source of weapons.

3) New weapons. Russia is well known for only selling less capable versions of its weapons. Maybe Turkey and Israel will sell better weapons if the turks buy an aircraft that can launch them.

4) Unknown systems. Armenia knows Russian weapons like the MiG-29 very well, but not so much about NATO weapons. Countermeasures are harder to design.

Maybe Turkey will sell only a basic fighter to the Azeris, like the F-16C, and then after the USA approves and the planes are transferred Israel will sell an upgrade package with ground-attack systems. We can hope that friends in the USA or Europe stop this sale.

There are some rules..that there should be a military balance in kovkas but when they will permit to sell F-16 to Azerbaijan then soon we will buy Su-27..
now that we don't have Su-27 it doesn't mean that we cannot afford to buy them..that's absolutely wrong...we are not buying them since there is rules..If this rules are broken new weapons you will see in Armenia soon.

[ArmeniaSacra]

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Dear all,

I've been following your posts for the past 3 years. I never became a member mostly because I don't have time to post on a regular basis. I still don't, but I wanted to get the chance to participate in your discussions from time to time. That's why I registered. I want to start my 1st post with 2 ideas on the topic that's being discussed.

1. http://milaz.info/en/news.php?id=7373 This link shows the Azeri Defense minister denying the issue of the F-16 sale to his country

2. I'm no military expert, but I'm pretty sure that the US military regulations require the selling procedure of any American weapon (in this case the F-16s) by a secondary party (in this case turkey) to a third party (in this case azerbaijan) to be approved 1st by the US congress. To make it simple, Turkey cannot sell a single bullet that reads "made in the US" unless the congress approves it. So, I don't see how azerbaijan can recieve US made weapons from turkey or from anyone else, unless there's an OK from washington. Which in this case I don't see it to be realistic.

[arakeretzig]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

if a country like Jordan with a GDP of just 36B$ can have 104 fighters (F-16, Mirage F1, F5-E), then armenia can do it too. If there's a real need for it, it will happen.

[HyeFighter2]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

if a country like Jordan with a GDP of just 36B$ can have 104 fighters (F-16, Mirage F1, F5-E), then armenia can do it too. If there's a real need for it, it will happen.

how much is our GDP?

[Spetsnaz]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Dear all,

I've been following your posts for the past 3 years. I never became a member mostly because I don't have time to post on a regular basis. I still don't, but I wanted to get the chance to participate in your discussions from time to time. That's why I registered. I want to start my 1st post with 2 ideas on the topic that's being discussed.

1. http://milaz.info/en/news.php?id=7373 This link shows the Azeri Defense minister denying the issue of the F-16 sale to his country

2. I'm no military expert, but I'm pretty sure that the US military regulations require the selling procedure of any American weapon (in this case the F-16s) by a secondary party (in this case turkey) to a third party (in this case azerbaijan) to be approved 1st by the US congress. To make it simple, Turkey cannot sell a single bullet that reads "made in the US" unless the congress approves it. So, I don't see how azerbaijan can recieve US made weapons from turkey or from anyone else, unless there's an OK from washington. Which in this case I don't see it to be realistic.

Its not that they are selling US weapons..Now F-16s are produced in Turkey...but anyhow it is not allowed to sell powerful weapons to Middle-east countries.

how much is our GDP?

Our Nominal GDP was around 10B$ and purchasin power was around 16B$ (Statistics of 2010)

More information => http://www.gfmag.com/gdp-data-countr...#axzz1k6vr4w7j

[HyeFighter2]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Its not that they are selling US weapons..Now F-16s are produced in Turkey...but anyhow it is not allowed to sell powerful weapons to Middle-east countries.



Our Nominal GDP was around 10B$ and purchasin power was around 16B$ (Statistics of 2010)

More information => http://www.gfmag.com/gdp-data-countr...#axzz1k6vr4w7j

yes but our military bdget is only 400 mln, why yor saying the whole country's ? azeris got more than 3 mlrd

[burjuin]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Armenian students of Land Troops Military Academy of the Hellenic Republic

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Its not that they are selling US weapons..Now F-16s are produced in Turkey...but anyhow it is not allowed to sell powerful weapons to Middle-east countries.

Yeah that is why Saudi-Arabia is driving around with Abrahams and T90's, so don't know where you got the notion that it isn't allowed to sell powerful weapons to Middle-Eastern countries?