Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Vahram]

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"Vahram what the hell are you talking about? what has Ararat to do with Russian Radar stations?"

I will say no more on the open! I ask you to think a little how can a radar wave go around a huge lair?

One more thing I wish Ararat back but this has nothihng to do with it. However had we had this lair, then this would not be an issue even for Russia!

I'm not just talking from my heart but from my brain....Yeta 1000 had radar oonis Ararat ter metch beedi ela. lairin coven gerns kal, yev mega chee gerna desnal kezee. Azerbabboonistanie metch us lair chiga, gernas desnal shud ovelee heroo

[Spetsnaz]

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Ur talking so simple Vahram. so according to you "Azerbabboonistanie metch us lair chiga, gernas desnal shud ovelee heroo" you can see the rocket coming on you by your eyes?!since thats what u mean.or just misunderstanding because of you language.

[Vahram]

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"you can see the rocket coming on you by your eyes?!since thats what u mean.or just misunderstanding because of you language. "

Sorry for the language, but I guess as bad as it is you still got the picture? You can see the rocket coming from a distance

Getze Hayastan!

[Armanen]

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1. Its not issue of affordability in future, but capacity to MANUFACTURE! as to whats to come in future its affordability to have 100-200 engineers and scientist to work on prototypes (no need for serial production). The issue is capacity and ability and ingenuity which they acquire and we lack or loose because the Soviet generation is dieing off and new one has no experience in such matters.

2. We DONT have capacity to manufacture AFV APC .... vehicles just REPAIR them and during repair, we replace older parts with newer ones so you can call that RETROFIRING. Industrial capacity in Armenia has been largely destroyed or left to rut or sold off or .... Georgia has capacity to retrofit and manufacture AFV APC and even Su airplanes (most of it due to soviet inheritance). For us to do this interdependently without Russian investments in our Military Industrial Complex would cost us billions and we could never afford this. Naturally Georgians received aid in most if not everything they do now, in form of financing and know-how.

3. Quality i agree totally! They manufacture garbage their AFV and APC can ben destroyed by Russian BMP-1 models. Its the future development of industry and research that will make them SUPERIOR to Armenia! Think ahead for 10-15 years then you would realize this. If you are in US think back 10-15 years ago Chinese made products are total JUNK but now they manufacture high tech military components for US Military and highest quality consumer goods like iPhone. I just hope Armenia manages to enrich its military industrial complex and becomes an exporter to be able to afford future expansions in this field. Russians are helping us and are our allies but in terms of military assistance they dont do as much as general public thinks they do. Most of our achievements are due to our own drive to better ourselves! We need diversity and stop relying on Russia so much because in 10-15 years when there is government there that is not so friendly Armenia wold be swallowed up by our adversaries because we lack our own domestic means to protect and fight the future wars.

You say that it is not about the money but the industrial base, but then you point out how Armenia's industrial base has deteriorated. That is DUE TO MONEY!! Georgia is not wealther than Armenia, and they can not continue to spend the amounts of money they have been on their military while ignoring the deplorable condition of their citizenry. Moreover, in case you have not noticed, Georgian industry was just as badly affected by the collapse of the USSR as was Armenia's. They just happened to have more factories, some of which they have now turned into military arms producing factories.

Armenia is very secretive about its capabilities when it comes to military production and new acquerments in arms. Unlike Georgia and Azerbaijan we do not talk, but rather act, which is why our military is ranked ahead of theirs by both Western and Russian experts. So no one really knows what our military industrial complex is capable of. And Armenia has signed a number of agreements with the Russians which commits the latter to help Armenia develop its military industrial complex. Azerbaijan has a similar deal with Turkey, but one can not compare Russian capabilities and Turkish capabilities in this field, since Russia blows the Turkey out of the water. Georgian government and hence its military, are funded by the US and NATO, but that money will dry up, especially when Saakashvilli is removed from power.

As for Russian government not being supportive of Armenia, you could not be more wrong. You do not understand geopolitical imperatives, which are geographic determinate that force a country to act a certain way in order to keep or advance political or national security goals. The Caucasus region is a geopolitical imperative for Russia for two key reasons, first it is a natural buffer on their south, and second, they risk losing Central Asia if they lose the Caucasus. The North Caucasus historically has been hard to control when the South Caucasus has not been under Russian control, therefore, unless Russia wants to lose the North Caucasus, it will not alienate Armenia, regardless of what type of government they have in Moscow. Even the Bolsheviks understood this geopolitical imperative.

[Armanen]

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you dont understand the situacion in that region bro believe me your going to say sorry for your words (long live moscow) its not first time when russians truant uss, look at georgians,look what country they've build,and yes iam hayastanci from Yerevan!

You are sadly out of touch with the geopolitical realities. And just because you were born in Armenia doesn't mean you somehow are in tune with what the people there think or what the country needs. As far as I can see from your profile, you live in Sweden.

[burjuin]

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102 military base of the Armed Forces of Russia in Armenia:

[Eddo211]

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Vahram what the hell are you talking about? what has Ararat to do with Russian Radar stations? I wish too if Ararat was ours too but it has nothing to do with the Radars. Dont throw words.

I believe he means ground radar station limitations on "Line of Sight" obscured by high terrain......range to ground limitations on targets. Same can imply to communication loss.

[Vrej1915]

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Armenia, NATO Reaffirm Plans For ‘Deeper Partnership’

Armen Koloyan
06.03.2012
President Serzh Sarkisian reaffirmed his desire to continue deepening Armenia’s ties with NATO as he met with NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen and addressed the alliance’s top decision-making body in Brussels on Tuesday.

The talks centered on Yerevan’s Individual Partnership Action Plan (IPAP) with NATO and its participation in the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan.

“Armenia is actively cooperating with NATO in all areas of our partnership,” Sarkisian said after the meeting with Rasmussen. He pointed out that the IPAP was again modified last November, presumably with the aim of stepping up bilateral cooperation.

“I would like to reaffirm Armenia’s readiness to continue the mutually beneficial cooperation with NATO,” Sarkisian told journalists.

“Our alliance attaches great importance to our partnership with Armenia and we are grateful for Armenia’s contribution to our ISAF mission in Afghanistan,” Rasmussen said for his part. “NATO and Armenia share many political priorities and security interests. We have built up our cooperation and dialogue over many years.”

“I expect our discussions today to confirm our interest to take forward and deepen our partnership,” Rasmussen said.


Belgium - Armenian President Serzh Sarkisian meets with members of NATO's North Atlantic Council in Brussels, 6Mar2012.
The two men spoke before attending a session of NATO’s governing North Atlantic Council at the alliance headquarters in Brussels. Rasmussen said the meeting will discuss, among other things, preparations for NATO’s upcoming summit in Chicago that should decide the future of the Western-led mission in Afghanistan. “As an ISAF contributor, Armenia will participate closely in the decision-shaping process,” he said.

Yerevan almost tripled the Armenian participation in the ISAF when it sent an additional 81 soldiers to Afghanistan in June last year. In a related development, the Armenian military plans to hold joint military exercises with U.S. forces next month.

“We realize that modern [security] threats and challenges can be overcome only with collective efforts,” Sarkisian said before addressing the North Atlantic Council. “For that purpose we tripled the size of the Armenian military contingent participating in the ISAF last summer.”

A statement issued by Sarkisian’s press office later in the day said the Armenian leader delivered an extensive speech at the council meeting which touched upon Armenia-NATO relations, “challenges facing Armenia” and the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. “President Sarkisian answered questions from participants and expressed gratitude for their words of appreciation and encouragement,” it said.

[burjuin]

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[arakeretzig]

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