Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Eddo211]

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What would be the reason for such an operation, risking a very high percentage of assets (pilots and planes).
To show off technical prowess or eliminating a substantial threat.

The scenario is considered at the time of war. With a well trained pilot and proper support it can be pulled off. Even loosing planes will make it worth destroying their only Bomber squadron. It will take a long time to rebound from such a loss, enough to loose the war, if not then putting them on defensive. Our air defence system will come in handy in their retaliations, which will cost them more if these systems work as promised, especially with their badly trained pilots.

How much of a threat is the Azeri air force considering our air defences to justify such a risk.

How much is our civilian lives and our infrastructure worth. Would you bet your life on air defence systems to stop a massive attack?

[londontsi]

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The scenario is considered at the time of war. With a well trained pilot and proper support it can be pulled off. Even loosing planes will make it worth destroying their only Bomber squadron. It will take a long time to rebound from such a loss, enough to loose the war, if not then putting them on defensive. Our air defence system will come in handy in their retaliations, which will cost them more if these systems work as promised, especially with their badly trained pilots.



How much is our civilian lives and our infrastructure worth. Would you bet your life on air defence systems to stop a massive attack?

From the political rhetoric it appears that if there will be a war it will be started by the Azeri.

Naturally in such a scenario they would want to use the advantage of the surprise.

During such a surprise their air force would be participating as well.
Therefore civilian lives and infrastructure will already be under attack.

Additionally their air defences ( of air fields ) would be put on high alert.

Our side will start to engage the enemy from this point onward, with the initial disadvantage of the surprise.

Our side having suffered damage and perhaps conceded positions (territory) would be put under the pressure of political forces for a cease fire.
This would be my greatest concern, because it will weaken our defence, boost their moral and adversely ours for the next stage.
There may well not be any time for fancy footwork by the air force.

I would have thought the option suggested above (arakeretzig) of using long missiles (available ?) would be more practical.

It can be targeted at short notice.
If it fails could be targeted repeatedly at lower cost and with less planning and risk.

We just need to have enough of those bastards.

[Eddo211]

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From the political rhetoric it appears that if there will be a war it will be started by the Azeri.

Naturally in such a scenario they would want to use the advantage of the surprise.

During such a surprise their air force would be participating as well.
Therefore civilian lives and infrastructure will already be under attack.

Additionally their air defences ( of air fields ) would be put on high alert.

Our side will start to engage the enemy from this point onward, with the initial disadvantage of the surprise.

Well sure but only initially. An attack on their airfields can come at anytime during the War and it would not be something they will be expecting either.
Btw, military airfields are always on high alert during war.

Our side having suffered damage and perhaps conceded positions (territory) would be put under the pressure of political forces for a cease fire.
This would be my greatest concern, because it will weaken our defence, boost their moral and adversely ours for the next stage.
There may well not be any time for fancy footwork by the air force.

This is why you want to put them on the defensive by launching attacks in their territory.

I would have thought the option suggested above (arakeretzig) of using long missiles (available ?) would be more practical.

You guys think you can take out an Azeri military airfield with rockets? Now if you would have said a Damn, power grid station, command and control center, water storage tanks, oil rig platform, etc.. I would have taken you seriously but an Airfield? Come on now think.
While they are on the offensive we need to hit them from the back, which will disorient them and bring confusion within ranks.

It can be targeted at short notice.
If it fails could be targeted repeatedly at lower cost and with less planning and risk.

We just need to have enough of those bastards.

If you don’t take risks and want to play it safe, lobbing rockets hoping you hit something, you will not win a war, period. You are reacting not acting......unless you want the war to continue for years as casualties mount.

[Aralez]

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Azerbaijan: Baku Aims to Become Regional Arms Dealer
March 29, 2011 - 2:20pm, by Shahin Abbasov

With energy exports providing plenty of spare cash, Azerbaijan is taking steps to produce Israeli-designed spy planes. Local analysts say the venture reflects Baku desire to become a major arms exporter to the South Caucasus, Central Asia and Middle East.

Israel can't sell to Arab nations like Azerbaijan can, and Azerbaijan has the money and knows how to create Islamic banking packages to help those nations buy weapons.

That, the fact that thousands of Juhuri Bakuvians [LOL, x me out will you] ask for Israeli support, and the fact that a weak Armenia would be less able to oppose the takeover of the Armenian Quarter of Jerusalem if the opportunity came about because of the demographic decline caused by the isolation of the people there from those in Cilicia, all of this gives Israel reason to sell weapons to the turks.

It will depend on the mission Federate.

It might not be a bad idea to also have Funds allocated for the creation of indigenous strike UAVs

Greece has very good drone technology.

Tough question Federate........lets see, how about

- 8 SU-25TM
- 4 additional Mil Mi-24
- 2 Mil- Mi-28
- 3 Mig-29
- 1 Antonov AN-12 Military transpost

How about just 1 Antonov AN-12 Military transport with the transponder and paint job copied from a Kazakh AN-12, and a bunch of torpedoes that can be parachuted into the Caspian to target oil rigs? I wonder if an oil rig looks like a ship to a torpedo?

[Karabed]

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I am sure the Armenian Armed Forces and Nagarno Karabakh Defence Army have multiple plans on how to cripple the azeri army once the war starts. Anyway it's fun reading your posts.
And here goes their surprise attack:

State Civil Aviation Administration: Armenia has not given any official reply to Azerbaijan’s concern and warning over Khankendi airport

International Civil Aviation Organization has already informed Yerevan about Azerbaijan’s concern and warning over Khankendi airport


Baku. Rashad Suleymanov – APA. Azerbaijan’s appeal to the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) to prevent Armenians from building an illegal airport and organizing illegal flights to the occupied territories is a warning, Deputy Director of Azerbaijan State Civil Aviation Administration Fuad Guliyev told APA. Guliyev said the Azerbaijani side is solid for the warning and statements.
“We have stated several times and reiterate that all flights to our occupied territories are illegal. They will be prevented within the framework of the legislation,” he said.

Deputy Director said ICAO told Azerbaijan State Civil Aviation Administration that organization had informed Yerevan about Azerbaijan’s concern and warning.

Fuad Guliyev said separatist Nagorno Karabakh regime is not recognized as an independent country.
“Moreover, if Azerbaijan State Civil Aviation Administration does not issue a certificate to the airport built in Khankendi, which is an integral part of Azerbaijan, this airport will not be able to get international status,” he said.

Fuad Guliyev said they had not received any official written reply from the Armenian side to Azerbaijan’s appeal and warning through ICAO.

Director of Azerbaijan State Civil Aviation Administration Arif Mammadov had said physical destructive measures would be taken against the planes flying to Khankendi airport ignoring Azerbaijan’s warning. Civil Aviation Administration agreed with Defense Ministry and sent a warning letter to the ICAO in October, 2010. Following the statements, OSCE Minsk Group co-chairs and US ambassador to Azerbaijan Matthew Bryza called official Baku to avoid such step. Moreover, Armenian side makes different statements too. They say that such efforts of Baku will be prevented, even Azerbaijani planes will not be allowed to fly over Armenia to Nakhchivan and Turkey.

Taking stance on Armenian statements, Azerbaijani experts on aviation consider that all military and civil missiles flying over the occupied territories are considered as “enemy”. National and international laws let Azerbaijan take appropriate measures against the violation of air space in the internationally recognized territories.

Air Defense Troops’ experts declare that they are able to carry out measures against each military and civil aircrafts flying to Azerbaijan’s Khankendi airport. If close location of Khankendi airport to the front-line is taken into consideration, Air Defense Troops can annihilate those aircrafts by using C-125 or C-200 complexes. At the same time, it is possible to destroy navigation system of those aircrafts by using modern radioelectronic methods, and annihilate them without using any force. According to the words of experts, at present, Azerbaijan’s air defense systems can control not only the flights over Nagorno Karabakh, but also all the flights over Armenia. Civil aircrafts fly especially at altitudes of 8-10 km, their speed is lower than the military ones. Moreover, aircrafts rising from Khankendi may be annihilated till the level of maximum altitude.

Note that, the first flight to Khankendi is considered to realize on May 9 of this year.

[arakeretzig]

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Azerfakejan is like that girl you used to know in high school which used to be popular but not anymore, and is bitter about, and whines all the time trying to stay relevant.

[Mos]

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Azerfakejan is like that girl you used to know in high school which used to be popular but not anymore, and is bitter about, and whines all the time trying to stay relevant.

It's like the once ugly girl that no one looked at, got a bunch of plastic surgeries, fake breasts, fake behind, because of her rich father and now everybody looks at her, but then upon looking closer see that it's all fake.

[Mos]

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Your soldiers still can't fight

In an eye-opening piece reported by EurasiaNet, author Shahin Abbasov discusses Azerbaijan’s recent foray into weapons manufacturing and its desire to become a full-fledged arms dealer in the region.
The government-owned AZAD Systems Company plan near Baku will begin production on two Israeli-licensed drone aircraft soon.
“The initiative is seen as a critical strategic element in Azerbaijan’s ongoing efforts to regain control over the breakaway region of Nagorno-Karabakh. ‘Having such aircraft is important for gaining military superiority over Armenia,’ said Uzeir Jafarov, a colonel in the army reserves. ‘It is an irreplaceable armament for intelligence purposes in Nagorno-Karabakh now, and, in case of conflict, for the precise identification of the location, readiness and number of enemy troops,’” reports Abbasov.
“Other motivations are also involved. Israeli arms interest Azerbaijani officials since ‘the country’s military needs are largely ignored by Russia, Europe and the United States due to the Karabakh conflict,’ according to an alleged cable prepared by the US Embassy in Baku in 2009 and posted on the WikiLeaks website,” added EurasiaNet.
“Azerbaijani diplomats and military officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told EurasiaNet.org that Baku wants to become more self-reliant in terms of weaponry. The chief concern among Azerbaijani military planners is that supplies of military equipment from Russia and/or the West could cease in the event that the Karabakh conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia reignites,” explains Abbasov.
Read the entire report here.

[Armanen]

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The threats made by azergayjan against flights to and from Stepanakert are a bluff and for domestic consumption only.

[burjuin]

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Parachute training: