What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

[Federate]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

You can also check out other posts where I have presented a nice collection of maps to use in this thread.

[jgk3]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

the map in his post that you quoted.

[hipeter924]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

More about above, I am happy this is starting to be taken care of. Play your part!
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Karabakh Borders: De jure, de facto, de TV



In December of 2008 representatives of Karabakh’s youth organizations sent a letter to Armenian president Serjh Sargsyan asking him to use his influence to have “weather forecasts” on Armenian TV channels quit using maps in which Armenia and Karabakh are shown within the borders they had in 1988. On these maps Nagorno Karabakh is presented within the borders of former Autonomous Region of Nagorno Karabakh (ARNK, as a part of Azerbaijani SSR) and Lachin corridor (connecting Armenia and NKR) isn’t there at all.

For 20 years Karabakh has had no connection to Azerbaijan, has been building an independent – if unrecognized – statehood, establishing interstate relations with Armenia, meanwhile Armenia hasn’t decided yet whether or not to recognize Karabakh’s independence.

Despite the letter being actively circulated on the Internet, Armenian TV channels, however, did not pay much attention to it (except for Yerkir Media TV). Being unable to decide which map to use in their weather forecast programs and in order to avoid any complications on border issues they keep using the 1988 map as if the last 20 years have not existed at all.

Does the government have a unanimous standpoint and conception on the Karabakh issue settlement? On December 3, Heritage faction deputy Larisa Alaverdyan raised the issue in the parliament of Armenia, to which Prime-Minister Tigran Sargsyan responded by admitting that such a problem does exist. Alaverdyan pointed out that during weather forecast Armenian TV channels demonstrate a map on which there is no linking line between Armenia and Karabakh, and Karabakh is shown within the borders of former ARNK. Alaverdyan stated that it’s not simply a distortion of reality, but also a violation of NKR Constitution and legislation, according to which NKR sovereignty applies to its current administrative territory.

The letter by NKR youth organizations says that “the war crossed out artificial and unviable borders of ARNK forced upon the Armenian people”, and that “the NKR Constitution adopted as a result of the referendum held in 2006, consolidated sovereign borders of the Armenian land liberated at the cost of blood of the best sons of our nation”.

“The fact of ignoring one way or another -be it ideologically or in real politics- the victory of the Armenian nation and its results not only disregards the memory of fallen heroes, but also encourages a new armed aggression against the Armenian statehood,” says the letter.

A few days later a number of Armenian NGOs and individuals joined the statement of youth organizations by sending an open letter to the heads of Armenian mass media.

The authors of the letter state that 14 years after calling a truce a peculiar situation has formed: the objective reality of including those regions into NKR, which once were a part of Azerbaijani SSR, is not anyhow reflected in Armenian mass media, commercials or brochures. NKR is either absent from maps or is shown within the borders of former ARNK.

“Such maps are a violation of Article 142 of NKR Constitution according to which ‘until the integrity of the state territory of the Republic of Nagorno Karabakh is restored and borders are precisely defined public authority is implemented on the territory which is de facto under the jurisdiction of the Republic of Nagorno Karabakh’ ,” quotes the letter.

The letter further calls upon mass media not to avoid showing the acting real borders, actively cover life on the liberated lands and inform citizens of Armenia about the strategic role of those lands (the letter had 62 signatures).

The issue of maps has been important since the very beginning of the Karabakh conflict, and ever since Internet came along it has become urgent. Armenian websites demonstrate a surprising tolerance by posting maps where Karabakh is a part of Azerbaijan. On brochure maps produced by many tourism agencies printed in Armenia the borders of Karabakh do not match today’s reality.

Meanwhile, maps and catalogues produced abroad are more accurate, so much that Azerbaijan is putting up a struggle against them. Day.az site posted a list of travel SIM cards on which Karabakh is shown as a part of Armenia or as a separate country. Those are: GSM-Travel, SIMTRAVEL, Travel International SIM Card, produced by In Touch company, Smart cards (USA), travel SIM cards produced by telecommunication company Oneroam (Great Britain), GO-SIM™ cards, GLOBALSIM cards, produced by HBSGlobal and many others; the list was a full 5 pages long.

So the situation arises in which Azerbaijani channels in their daily weather forecast speak about Karabakh as their inseparable part, and Armenian channels, by default, confirm.

http://armenianow.com/?action=viewAr...D=1217&lng=eng

Then what map do you use?

[jgk3]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

More about above, I am happy this is starting to be taken care of. Play your part!

Yes, I agree. If the state doesn`t show a present interest in referring to the NKR borders, it is definitely our duty to be aware of it. Maps are educational things and before I saw the NKR map, I only knew the ANKR one and my assessment of it was accorded to this old, outdated map.

It`s important to remember that the official decisions will nonetheless come from Yerevan, and more appropriately, Moscow, but our consciousness of NKR definitely plays a role in the longrun. We don`t want Artsakh to someday consider itself as a separate entity from Armenia, and we must combat the attitudes which are sowing these dreadful seeds that could mean such a divide in the future.

[Federate]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

More about above, I am happy this is starting to be taken care of. Play your part!
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Karabakh Borders: De jure, de facto, de TV



In December of 2008 representatives of Karabakh’s youth organizations sent a letter to Armenian president Serjh Sargsyan asking him to use his influence to have “weather forecasts” on Armenian TV channels quit using maps in which Armenia and Karabakh are shown within the borders they had in 1988. On these maps Nagorno Karabakh is presented within the borders of former Autonomous Region of Nagorno Karabakh (ARNK, as a part of Azerbaijani SSR) and Lachin corridor (connecting Armenia and NKR) isn’t there at all.

For 20 years Karabakh has had no connection to Azerbaijan, has been building an independent – if unrecognized – statehood, establishing interstate relations with Armenia, meanwhile Armenia hasn’t decided yet whether or not to recognize Karabakh’s independence.

Despite the letter being actively circulated on the Internet, Armenian TV channels, however, did not pay much attention to it (except for Yerkir Media TV). Being unable to decide which map to use in their weather forecast programs and in order to avoid any complications on border issues they keep using the 1988 map as if the last 20 years have not existed at all.

Does the government have a unanimous standpoint and conception on the Karabakh issue settlement? On December 3, Heritage faction deputy Larisa Alaverdyan raised the issue in the parliament of Armenia, to which Prime-Minister Tigran Sargsyan responded by admitting that such a problem does exist. Alaverdyan pointed out that during weather forecast Armenian TV channels demonstrate a map on which there is no linking line between Armenia and Karabakh, and Karabakh is shown within the borders of former ARNK. Alaverdyan stated that it’s not simply a distortion of reality, but also a violation of NKR Constitution and legislation, according to which NKR sovereignty applies to its current administrative territory.

The letter by NKR youth organizations says that “the war crossed out artificial and unviable borders of ARNK forced upon the Armenian people”, and that “the NKR Constitution adopted as a result of the referendum held in 2006, consolidated sovereign borders of the Armenian land liberated at the cost of blood of the best sons of our nation”.

“The fact of ignoring one way or another -be it ideologically or in real politics- the victory of the Armenian nation and its results not only disregards the memory of fallen heroes, but also encourages a new armed aggression against the Armenian statehood,” says the letter.

A few days later a number of Armenian NGOs and individuals joined the statement of youth organizations by sending an open letter to the heads of Armenian mass media.

The authors of the letter state that 14 years after calling a truce a peculiar situation has formed: the objective reality of including those regions into NKR, which once were a part of Azerbaijani SSR, is not anyhow reflected in Armenian mass media, commercials or brochures. NKR is either absent from maps or is shown within the borders of former ARNK.

“Such maps are a violation of Article 142 of NKR Constitution according to which ‘until the integrity of the state territory of the Republic of Nagorno Karabakh is restored and borders are precisely defined public authority is implemented on the territory which is de facto under the jurisdiction of the Republic of Nagorno Karabakh’ ,” quotes the letter.

The letter further calls upon mass media not to avoid showing the acting real borders, actively cover life on the liberated lands and inform citizens of Armenia about the strategic role of those lands (the letter had 62 signatures).

The issue of maps has been important since the very beginning of the Karabakh conflict, and ever since Internet came along it has become urgent. Armenian websites demonstrate a surprising tolerance by posting maps where Karabakh is a part of Azerbaijan. On brochure maps produced by many tourism agencies printed in Armenia the borders of Karabakh do not match today’s reality.

Meanwhile, maps and catalogues produced abroad are more accurate, so much that Azerbaijan is putting up a struggle against them. Day.az site posted a list of travel SIM cards on which Karabakh is shown as a part of Armenia or as a separate country. Those are: GSM-Travel, SIMTRAVEL, Travel International SIM Card, produced by In Touch company, Smart cards (USA), travel SIM cards produced by telecommunication company Oneroam (Great Britain), GO-SIM™ cards, GLOBALSIM cards, produced by HBSGlobal and many others; the list was a full 5 pages long.

So the situation arises in which Azerbaijani channels in their daily weather forecast speak about Karabakh as their inseparable part, and Armenian channels, by default, confirm.

http://armenianow.com/?action=viewArticle&AID=3488&CID=3354&IID=1217&lng=eng

[Armanen]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

I'd like to see a map with no border between Armenia and Artsakh, as Artsakh is an Armenian marz (province).

[Federate]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

Here are a couple of other examples of acceptable maps of Armenia and Artsakh.
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[vasbourakan1]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

well Fed, I could say I agree with you and disagree. the fact is that all the towns and villages bearing armenian names in turkey and azerbaijan have been turkisized during the past 150 years, I mean who remembers paghesh, gaboudag, chmshgazaghk, marzvan, etc tens and tens to name, and who knows that erzingan is yerzenka, and erzerum is garine or merdin is dikranagert. the only place which the turks have been unable to change its name despite all their efforts and remodeled maps is ararat because this name appeares in the bible such as. why all this long foregoing, because every single place's name has its roots linked to something closely related to armenian history or armenians or their customs, so I will never accept the name of karapagh which means litteraly black forest - the forests there are not black at all- but rather adopt it's real name artsakh which has it's roots from the armenian mythology -ara's forest, ara tsakh which with time transformed to artsakh, ara being ara keghetsik who used to hunt deers there.

[Federate]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

regarding recommended maps there is a correction to effect which is by deleting the word karabakh and replace it with artsakh (already explained reason in detail in another thread)

On an international level, the NK terminology will have to stay for awhile because that is beyond out control. However, yes, we should purge that Perso-Turkic word out of our language because we have no reason to keep it in Armenian, given the fact that it's our land and we have renamed pretty much all* the former Turkic names from towns and villages in Armenia.

*A notable exception is the town Allahverdi, disguised as "Alaverdi". In Turkish, this means "God-given" and is a very common name but we pretend it comes from Armenian "red-stone" (Ալ-վերտ).

[vasbourakan1]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

regarding recommended maps there is a correction to effect which is by deleting the word karabakh and replace it with artsakh (already explained reason in detail in another thread)