What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

[hipeter924]

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In Robert Fisk's book "The War for Civilization" he puts it at the attempts of the European powers (French and British Empire's) at the time to '"get Turkey on their side" for WW2 and gave away the Armenian territories as presents in hope that Turkey would join their side. This failed as Turkey only entered the war "a few days before Hitler committed suicide in his bunker".

[jgk3]

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To be honest I don't think that was the reason. I think, most colonially-minded European powers were looking to take over gas/oil reach Arab countries (and they did), while Armenia had neither of those (although it is rich in other natural resources, but not as much relating to energy). This map is not that incorrect since it includes the so-called "6 Armenian villayets" or if you will Western Armenia (with Cilician Armenia and Armenia Minor). Caucasian Albania was for most part never part of Greater Armenia, although it was a dependency for sometime, so anything beyond Kur river is not ours, besides there are plenty of Caucasian peoples (Lezgins, Avars, Tats etc. Talysh inhabit parts of historic Armenian province of Paytakaran but they are also indigenous there) there who are related to the Caucasian Albanians. That is their land historically. Similarly, anything beyond Javakhk is also not Armenian, but belongs to Laz (who are in very good terms with Hamshen Armenians of Black Sea coast), Ajarans, Abkhaz and Georgians.

Well, the most obnoxious aspect of the map was how far north it claims in Georgia (beyond Javakh), how it claims ALL of Azerbaijan, and how it outright claims a very long eastern strip of the Black Sea coastline, as though it was outright Armenian (though we'd have significant minorities there, remember, much of that area was multi-ethnic, and it was not often under Armenian hegemony throughout our history).

[Catharsis]

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We're not living in 55BC here. Part of the reason why Europe didn't take our propsed mandate seriously after the genocide was because we'd draw maps like this.

To be honest I don't think that was the reason. I think, most colonially-minded European powers were looking to take over gas/oil reach Arab countries (and they did), while Armenia had neither of those (although it is rich in other natural resources, but not as much relating to energy). This map is not that incorrect since it includes the so-called "6 Armenian villayets" or if you will Western Armenia (with Cilician Armenia and Armenia Minor). Caucasian Albania was for most part never part of Greater Armenia, although it was a dependency for sometime, so anything beyond Kur river is not ours, besides there are plenty of Caucasian peoples (Lezgins, Avars, Tats etc. Talysh inhabit parts of historic Armenian province of Paytakaran but they are also indigenous there) there who are related to the Caucasian Albanians. That is their land historically. Similarly, anything beyond Javakhk is also not Armenian, but belongs to Laz (who are in very good terms with Hamshen Armenians of Black Sea coast), Ajarans, Abkhaz and Georgians.

[jgk3]

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Here are some maps:

We're not living in 55BC here. Part of the reason why Europe didn't take our propsed mandate seriously after the genocide was because we'd draw maps like this.

[Muhaha]

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ROA and Artsakh Citizens being able to struggle through and win something like the actual war but not being able to organize afterwards and get simple things done like this map situation is truly annoying. It's like Armenia's a Rocket Scientist that doesn't know how to flirt. LOL.


EDIT: Nevermind the "LOL", this is just sad.

[Icy]

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I urge whoever has a facebook to join this group, it has
many maps of Armenia+Artsakh, and correct maps. The link to
the Facebook group is: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/g...d=108664905242

Here are some maps:

[ashot24]

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http://realarmenia.files.wordpress.c...d-karabakh.jpg

I love this map, I look at it with so much pride and joy.

It is frustrating that not even "Armenian Funds" show the right map of the Armenian and Artsakhi Republic, http://www.armeniafund.org/projects/overview.php.

[Federate]

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Incompetent fools or politically motivated? I do not know which one is worse
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Drawing lines: Billboards promoting Made in Armenia goods said to compromise Karabakh cause


A campaign promoting the consumption of goods of Armenian make has inadvertently questioned the current territorial integrity of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR) by depicting it within its former Soviet borders on promo billboards in Yerevan.

Such billboards that appeared in Yerevan streets this week as part of the “Let’s Buy Armenian” campaign, present a map on which NKR is shown within the borders of the Nagorno-Karabakh autonomous region (NKAR) that existed as part of Soviet Azerbaijan until it broke free of Baku’s control with the collapse of the USSR.

ArmeniaNow has made numerous inquiries at state bodies and private agencies in an attempt to identify the organizers of the initiative. The attempts have so far been unsuccessful. Yerevan’s municipality promised to answer ArmeniaNow’s questions “in the coming days”.

Nearly a year ago, in December 2008, representatives of youth organizations of Karabakh sent a letter to Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan in which they asked him to use his influence to remove the maps used during weather forecasts on Armenian television channels that wrongly present the Karabakh borders.

On these maps Armenia and Karabakh are presented as they were as of 1988, i.e. Karabakh is shown as the former autonomous region (part of Soviet Azerbaijan), and the Lachin corridor (linking Armenia and NKR) is missing altogether.

Tigran Kocharyan, who deals with issues of the current NKR maps, argues that by printing such an erroneous map the organizers violate the constitution of the NKR and the rights of the people who live in the liberated territories. (By the time the 1994 ceasefire was signed with Azerbaijan, putting an end to three years of hostility, Karabakh Armenian forces had managed to establish control over seven districts of Azerbaijan proper that they continue to control until today).

“Does this mean that the honey produced by people who live in Berdzor or Karavachar should not be purchased, because these territories are not on the NKAR’s map?” says Kocharyan.

Kocharyan, a member of the Initiative Against Xenophobia, is convinced that by printing the old Karabakh map the organizers of the initiative “play into Azerbaijan’s hands.”

“It is already a year that we have struggled against television channels showing the map of the former Nagorno-Karabakh autonomous region, and three TV channels have already rejected this map, and now they start a new initiative with the same map. In fact, the organizers settle the Karabakh conflict earlier than, say, the president, since Serzh Sargsyan does not overtly speak about ceding territory,” says Kocharyan.

http://armenianow.com/?action=viewArticle&AID=4268&CID=4024&IID=1260&lng=eng

[Icy]

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Here's some more maps to whoever is interested.

[Icy]

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Fed, you pwned him!

Haha +1