What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

[Pazooki]

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After looking at these maps, I think to myself
"Man How Much Land Did We Lose?"
I mean I can't imagine what Armenia would be like
if we kept our lands.

We would be a lean mean Armenian machine

[jgk3]

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The land around Lake Van, and lands all the way west, bordering Cappadocia and all the way north bordering Pontus, were always more less the land of Armenians, lands which today have been lost in their entirety to Turks and Kurds.

If you want to go as far as to consider Armenians to be of Hurrian descent, you can include all of northern Syria and Lebanon, and the Lake Urmia area of Iran, as Armenian regions, and it should be noted that in our country's history, we've interacted with and at times re-established ourselves in those regions quite significantly.

Today, you'd just be asking for war if you wanted to lay claims to those lands, but when you have the might, like Tigran the Great did, you can do so victoriously.

[Pazooki]

Re: What are the N.K. borders?

The land around Lake Van, and lands all the way west, bordering Cappadocia and all the way north bordering Pontus, were always more less the land of Armenians, lands which today have been lost in their entirety to Turks and Kurds.

If you want to go as far as to consider Armenians to be of Hurrian descent, you can include all of northern Syria and Lebanon, and the Lake Urmia area of Iran, as Armenian regions, and it should be noted that in our country's history, we've interacted with and at times re-established ourselves in those regions quite significantly.

Today, you'd just be asking for war if you wanted to lay claims to those lands, but when you have the might, like Tigran the Great did, you can do so victoriously.

xxxx Tigran the Great. My armies bigger than his.

[Eddo211]

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Among the chaos of our great history, though our will has never broken and our spirit never faltered, our borders have constantly changed.............What was, what is, and what shall be once more.

[Icy]

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We'll get our lands back one day.

[Federate]

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Looks like ArmeniaNow has finally switched to using the correct map of Artsakh by not showing only the fictitious borders of the former NKAO but ALL including Nor Shahumyan (Karvachar) and Kashatagh (Lachin) provinces. I hope this is an official decision and not just for this article only. In regards to the interesting map's depiction of roads, one can notice how fragile the situation is when it comes to traveling from Armenia and Artsakh. There is only one lifeline highway that passes through Berdzor. Armenian authorities have been scared to fund a second one that passes from Karvachar out of fear that these lands will one day be returned. However, I have heard recently that there is finally talks going on of constructing this important second highway which is good news. It will also solidify our stance that we don't intend on giving up any of these lands that were liberated over the martyred bodies of our patriots.
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Grow roots: While peace process goes on, Karabakh focuses on demographic and social issues


Every time after the co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk group on the Karabakh issue settlement make statements that the Armenian armed forces have to withdraw from the territories surrounding the former Autonomous Region of Nagorno Karabakh, the authorities of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic visit either Kashatagh (former Lachin) or Shahumyan (former Kelbajar) regions.

Despite the confidentiality of the negotiations, it is well known that Azerbaijan is demanding the return of all the seven regions, however, the mediators are more inclined to see the two of the regions – Kashatagh and Shahumyan – under Armenian control. Armenia isn’t making any official statements in this regard, and Karabakh insists on preserving its territorial integrity.

Early in May, following the Prague meeting of the leaders of Armenia and Azerbaijan, the head of the Karabakh government called an urgent session during which the unsatisfactory rate of the Shahumyan region’s development was discussed.

The NKR jurisdiction proclaimed in 1991 applies to the 12,000 sq km area, only 4.4 thousand sq km of which makes former ARNK- a part of the Azerbaijani SSR before the collapse of the Soviet Union. The future of the regions around the former ARNK, consolidated in the Constitution of the NKR as a part of the state territory, is being disputed in the course of negotiations.

After the conclusion of armistice in 1994, the now disputed territories were gradually made habitable. However, until now they are in deplorable condition: the infrastructures destroyed during the three-year war, the housing resources are in need of major reconstruction which in its turn needs major investment. Such investment is promised by international organizations and the mediating countries but only after the withdrawal of Karabakh Armenian armed forces and placement of peacekeepers instead. Karabakh is not in favor of that option and is trying to handle the recovery of those regions on its own.

“It is not Azerbaijan’s territory, and the sooner the political powers of the neighboring country recognize that, the sooner the final settlement of the issue will be reached,” said NKR president Bako Sahakyan on May 9 in Stepanakert. NKR parliament factions released a statement saying that the territorial integrity of Nagorno Karabakh, as provided for by its Constitution, is not subject to bargaining.

By the NKR government decree a standing commission on development and implementation of demographic policy was created in February 2009. At the first session of that commission the concept paper of the state demographic policy was discussed. According to its author, Minister of Social Welfare Narine Azatyan, NKR’s demographic policy is also aimed at migration control particularly referring to the settlement of the territories.

The repatriation program started in Karabakh in 1995, right after the establishment of the ceasefire regime. Ever since people who had lost their homes and belongings in Azerbaijan as a result of the war, have been moving to Karabakh as well as those who wanted to live in their ancestors’ land. There are people wanting to move to Karabakh now as well, with immigration requests from Georgia, Russia, Middle Eastern countries, and Greece. The NKR Ministry of Social Welfare says they are considering those applications and once the mechanisms for implementation of the Concept of Demographic Development are specified, Karabakh will be able to accept the applicants.

As Azatyan says, the scale of aid to the repatriates is being reconsidered. In particular, it’s been determined to allocate 1 million drams ($2,700) to a migrant family through benefits, loans, equipment, instead of the current 200-230 thousand drams ($540-620).

The migration process in Karabakh during the past 15 years has had its ups and downs.

Up to 12,000 people currently reside in the Kashatagh region alone. In 2008, 47 families (462 people) moved to the region. The reason for such a low rate of settling this land famous for its favorable conditions for agribusiness is the lack of proper roads, housing, electricity and water.

In 2008, Kashatagh farmers were given up to 70 million drams ($190,000) in agricultural loans, due to which 9,500 hectares of fields were sowed. In 2009, 16 irrigation channels are to be restored with public funds, agricultural equipment will be leased. Two multi-apartment residential buildings are being constructed in the regional center Berdzor, 10 houses for large families with many children have been built.

There are those who are willing to move to these lands even now, but Karabakh authorities have decided not to rush with the settlement and rather take their time to create conditions for people, so that they could earn their own living.

The fact that when meeting the authorities people raise social rather than political issues speaks about one thing – both those who want to move to these lands and those who are already residing there are not afraid of the rumors on the withdrawal of those lands from under the control of the Armenian armed forces.

Nonetheless, international structures prefer not to work on these lands. Several Diaspora organizations are operating here, assisting the residents of these lands with humanitarian aid.

Both the administration of the region and the NKR authorities, however, admit that humanitarian aid alone is not sufficient to achieve full absorption of these lands.

http://armenianow.com/?action=viewArticle&AID=3754&CID=3605&IID=1236&lng=eng

[Eddo211]

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“It is not Azerbaijan’s territory, and the sooner the political powers of the neighboring country recognize that, the sooner the final settlement of the issue will be reached,” said NKR president Bako Sahakyan on May 9 in Stepanakert. NKR parliament factions released a statement saying that the territorial integrity of Nagorno Karabakh, as provided for by its Constitution, is not subject to bargaining.....

http://armenianow.com/?action=viewAr...D=1236&lng=eng

Even though I think Armenia is using some of those provinces as a playing card……………possession is 9/10 of the law in my book.

This is good Federate.

On a side note: It has been reported that several surprised western officials who oversee elections and proceedings have praised NKR Authorities on how well they have run their government to the best standards of a fair democratic system not found too often these days.

[Icy]

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Looks like things are finally getting on the right track.

[Anoush]

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Thanks for the news and the nice map Federate. It's very good news that many want to and are repatriating to those lands in NKR but awaiting the government to work on the lands, buildings, water, irrigation etc. I know for instance that the Armenian Relief Society has aided to the said regions and to the schools.

I love what Bako Sahakyan stated to the world powers. Very good guy!!!

[Anoush]

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Even though I think Armenia is using some of those provinces as a playing card……………possession is 9/10 of the law in my book.

This is good Federate.

On a side note: It has been reported that several surprised western officials who oversee elections and proceedings have praised NKR Authorities on how well they have run their government to the best standards of a fair democratic system not found too often these days.

You know what Eddo jan, the more the Western world leaves us alone the better our governments will run. The reason of NKR's Authorities are running their government in the best standards and fair democratic system it is mostly because the West leaves them alone. But they don't leave Armenia alone by trying to control them for their malicuous benefits, and look how much problems they have and continue to create it in our Motherland.