What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

[Catharsis]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

Very good maps Ashot thank you.

[ashot24]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

Republic of Armenia and Republic of Artsakh


Republic of Azerbaijan

[Catharsis]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

Thank you Fed jan for the map in Armenian. Nice map with soft colours too, and I agree with you. If this has been dealt with 20 years ago, it shouldn't have been an issue now.

Thank you Catharsis, I have not seen the Artsakh map around 1925. Good to know.

Yes and thank you Anoush, your avatar is also a very good map in this regard.

[Anoush]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

Thank you Fed jan for the map in Armenian. Nice map with soft colours too, and I agree with you. If this has been dealt with 20 years ago, it shouldn't have been an issue now.

Thank you Catharsis, I have not seen the Artsakh map around 1925. Good to know.

[Catharsis]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

No problem guys! I am glad you are interested. This should have never been an issue or should have been dealt with 20 years ago. Here's another one in Armenian.
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Thanks Federate. Constitution of the Artsakh Republic (AR) is clear about the state borders and Artsakh Armenians are correct to point out the violation of this very constitution through maps that do not reflect all of the provinces (Shahumyan, Berdzor, Hadrut etc.) of AR and instead give the 'NKAO' borders that have been modified several times (for example the so-called "Lachin corridor" was only artificially made in 1950s as more and more "NKAO" territory was chewed up) throughout the 20th century through serious of transfers from the "NKAO" to Azerbaijan.

1925 map of 'NKAO' still showing the direct connection with Armenia. The dotted red lines indicate Armenian territory of Karvachar and other parts of Berdzor that were already in 1923 handed over to "Azerbaijan" that were still marked as "Karabakh" - including to the north of NKAO - on Soviet maps (but outside of the administrative "Autonomous Province of Mountainous Karabakh").

[Federate]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

No problem guys! I am glad you are interested. This should have never been an issue or should have been dealt with 20 years ago. Here's another one in Armenian.
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[Armanen]

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Great map, thank you!

[Catharsis]

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Very good map Federate, thank you.

[Federate]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

Here's another nice map of Artsakh that we could all use, spread it around everyone!

[Catharsis]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

Well, the most obnoxious aspect of the map was how far north it claims in Georgia (beyond Javakh), how it claims ALL of Azerbaijan, and how it outright claims a very long eastern strip of the Black Sea coastline, as though it was outright Armenian (though we'd have significant minorities there, remember, much of that area was multi-ethnic, and it was not often under Armenian hegemony throughout our history).

Yes JGK3 I agree about Georgian territories and those of east of Kur river. They are not traditionally Armenian and have their own indigenous peoples there, although there has been a very strong Armenian presence in these territories from the antiquity with a significant input into both Caucasian Albania and Iberia. Black Sea coastline was part of Armenia Minor and Pontic Kingdom interchangeably, today it is predominantly populated by Hamshen Armenians (some more true to their Armenian roots than others), Laz and remnants of Pontic Greeks who were genocided along with Armenians between 1915-1923. Therefore arguably the coastline today is where you will find most of the remnants of Armenians who once thrived in all of the Armenian provinces of the Ottoman Empire. I believe, it was also taken into account as the Arbitrary Award of President Woodrow Wilson included a good deal of the Black Sea into the borders of Wilsonian Armenia.