What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

[Icy]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

Village of Artsvashen (Eagle's Nest) part of RA with its adjoining area. Before the 1930s it was actually connected to Armenia and was only made an enclave (like Artsakh) as Armenian land was transferred to Azerbaijan (see the Soviet administrative map of Armenian SSR from the late 1920s). Surrounded by Azeris and OMON forces, Artsvashen fell in late 1991 as the last battalion of Armenian freedom fighters there made sure all Armenian civilians were evacuated and fought to the last man.

So to this day who controls it?

[Federate]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

So to this day who controls it?

Azerbaijan does. Check the map I posted, it is described as occupied territory of the RoA by Azerbaijan. They have renamed it to Bashkand .

More info here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artsvashen

[Icy]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

Are there any Armenian survivors left living there?

[Federate]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

Are there any Armenian survivors left living there?

No, there are no Armenians in Artsvashen. And if there are, they might all be Azerified.

[Icy]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

No, there are no Armenians in Artsvashen. And if there are, they might all be Azerified.

Oh, damn, what were the roadblocks that affected our soldiers
to not liberate Artsvashen.

[Federate]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

Oh, damn, what were the roadblocks that affected our soldiers
to not liberate Artsvashen.

Armenia proper (as opposed to Artsakh) would need to cross into Azerbaijan since Artsvashen is an exclave and this would have led to disastrous consequences as Turkey could have possibly gotten its pretext to invade Armenia. Remember that on paper, it was Artsakh's Armenian population from within the former Azerbaijan SSR that fought the war of liberation and not Armenia.

[Armanen]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

Armenia proper (as opposed to Artsakh) would need to cross into Azerbaijan since Artsvashen is an exclave and this would have led to disastrous consequences as Turkey could have possibly gotten its pretext to invade Armenia. Remember that on paper, it was Artsakh's Armenian population from within the former Azerbaijan SSR that fought the war of liberation and not Armenia.

Well, it may have been that especially prior to 1993, but I think it also seemed practical to do a swap, they can keep that enclave and we will keep the azeri enclave inside Armenia. It was a fair trade IMHO, considering the other options.

[Federate]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

Well, it may have been that especially prior to 1993, but I think it also seemed practical to do a swap, they can keep that enclave and we will keep the azeri enclave inside Armenia. It was a fair trade IMHO, considering the other options.

For the moment, yes. But Artsvashen is just a tiny piece of what was once known as Northern Artsakh. If the Azeris attack again, our borders should expand northward.

[Armanen]

Re: What are the borders of Nagorno-Karabakh?

For the moment, yes. But Artsvashen is just a tiny piece of what was once known as Northern Artsakh. If the Azeris attack again, our borders should expand northward.

Yes, of course. But Northern Artsakh hasn't had an Armenian majority for some time now, so it would have been difficult to retake it and to hold on to it. It is better to have strong control of a little land rather than a little control over larger land, especially in the hostile situation Armenia finds itself in.

I expect that the 'buffer areas' would expand eastward and northward in case war resumes.

[Karapapak]

Northern Artsakh? Whats next? South? East? West? Or Outer? LOL

Imaginary stuff.

That region you talk about are the most pure Turkic blooded part of Azerbaijan. I m from there myself, the Tovuz rayon.

BTW, talking about your Artshaven (wich has been renamed to Başkənd), what about the 2 Azeri exclaves in northern Armenia?