Russian domination of Armenia.

[Federate]

Re: Russian domination of Armenia.

The reality is that Azerbaijan was well funded. They both had better technology sold to them by west and also their military was trained by west. They also hired mercenaries and were being supported also by Chechens. I would say the odds were overwhelmingly in the favor of Azerbaijan, but they failed miserably.

Not to mention all the aid the fake republic received from Israel, Turkey, Russia, Pakistan, Ukrainian pilots and the Afghan mujaheddin.

[SoyElTurco]

Re: Russian domination of Armenia.

What a joke? Yeah, Armenia had $1 billion in aid from Russia, but the Armenian fighters did not have running water. El Asswipe, shut the xxxx up and stop trying to play the "I am pretending to be a Turkish intellectual and attempting to be the 'bigger man'", frankly, no one buys it.

The reality is that Azerbaijan was well funded. They both had better technology sold to them by west and also their military was trained by west. They also hired mercenaries and were being supported also by Chechens. I would say the odds were overwhelmingly in the favor of Azerbaijan, but they failed miserably. In fact, most of the tanks and arms that were used by the Armenian side was actually taken from Azerbaijan.

But seriously, you are stupid, to claim that a landlocked country with no resources had the financial "upper hand" against a oil rich nation like Azerbaijan is very absurd. One more thing, the war was not between "Armenia and Azerbaijan", stop making it seem like it was a war between Armenia and Azerbaijan when it was actually a war between Armenian villagers and Azerbaijan, you prick.

you're mean. play nice.

[Armenian]

Re: Russian domination of Armenia.

Sorry to hijack this thread but... Really? Do you have more information/sources on this? It would make sense because he was such a vehement Arabist.

He was a member of Great Britain's intelligence services and he was a vehement British nationalist, not an genuine Arabist. Arabs were one of the vehicles/methods with which the Western powers at the time destroyed the Ottoman Empire. Lawrence simply worked the Arab tool, in more ways than one I would imagine... Anyway, when I was a child I would hear from my elders that Lawrence was anti-Armenian, but I didn't make much of it at the time. However, some years ago I read excerpts from a particular book either by Lawrence or about him in an Armenian weekly in New York City. What I read shocked me. I don't remember exactly what was written, but Lawrence's commentaries about Armenians were more-or-less in the tune of: if left unchecked, Armenians are one of the most dangerous peoples on earth; Armenians are a threat to regional stability; Armenians have a vast national network; Armenians are tight knit; Armenians are conspiring, wealthy and untrustworthy... His attitude towards Armenians seemed quite similar to the attitudes expressed by some towards organized Jewery.

You are in luck yerazhishda, I just found some of Lawrence's comments regarding Armenians on the internet (an interesting website if I may add): http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/8251

[SoyElTurco]

Re: Russian domination of Armenia.

[QUOTE=Armenian;208102]Armenians are one of the most dangerous peoples on earth; Armenians are a threat to regional stability; Armenians have a vast national network; Armenians are tight knit; Armenians are conspiring, wealthy and untrustworthy... His attitude towards Armenians seemed quite similar to the attitudes expressed by some towards organized Jewery.

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Not necessarily a bad thing. It shows the sophisitication of the Armenian; got the attention and consideration of the British. At least he didn't underestimate you guys.

yet then again, who knows.

-turco

[Hye_Psycho]

Re: Russian domination of Armenia.

But seriously, you are stupid, to claim that a landlocked country with no resources had the financial "upper hand" against a oil rich nation like Azerbaijan is very absurd.

keep in mind it was, and is, In Russia's geopolitical interest for Baku's Oil Production to be disrupted.

[meline]

Re: Russian domination of Armenia.

Well let's start from the basics.
First of all "Domination" is not the right word here and you know it pretty well Turko, unless you just pretend not to. (If this is the case, really sorry for you)

Second, try not no contradict yoursef or make a clown of yourself, because you are really being an easy prey:

1 - Thats true. Armenia is in the situation it is right now because it cannot oppose turkey or russia. If they oppose Russia, who will stop Azerbaijan from crushing armenia? (Azerbaijan has twice the population, 3x the economy, 4x the military budget. A blockade from Turkey and a Russian boycott of Armenia will effectively render Armenia's erasure in the event of an all out war with Azerbaijan.
In reality, Armenia is in a really tough position. It picks subordination to Russia as a lesser of two evils.

Here we have "the perfect patriot" who cares for his poor Azeri cousins and already pictures an image of the things to come, fashioning them to his own desires. Hmmmm, you should already be in the turkish ministry of defence, knowing that Azerbaijan will crush us, come on, you must be a mlitary prophet!!!! Don't rush in with your conclusions Turko, you will be in for a surprise.



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wish for peace and blessings to be upon you.

Lets look at the facts. The facts are like I stated. The days of fighting with swords are over. Miracles like Thermopaly or Yarmuk aren't possible anymore. It simply comes down to how many bombs you have and your capability in delivering them. Check wikipedia or look for military websites, pragmatically, armenia doesn't have any air power. There is a Russian air force base there with Russian aircraft, not Armenian.

Now that's what I call contradiction! And the mantra beginning is "good". Who are you trying to convince? You?

Let's look at the facts, The facts are like I stated

That phrase alone deprives your statement of all objectivity. Facts are not someting you state, they are something that exists. Karo was right, you are a clown.....

Miracles like Thermopaly or Yarmuk aren't possible anymore

You refer to the past and you state examples as a way of warding off the present. It will not help. You are probably at the denial stage. (Learn to spell Thermopylae, it means Hot Gates).

Not necessarily a bad thing. It shows the sophisitication of the Armenian; got the attention and consideration of the British. At least he didn't underestimate you guys.

yet then again, who knows.

Being futile again like the whole thread. And contradicting yourself a lot.

Maybe next time you could come up with something better.....For this one made me laugh after a hard week.

All in all, your whole thread makes me think of something I read in the Russian press recently. Back in the winter of 1993 an Azeri journalist said:

"If Armenians survive this winter again, then there is nothing human in them"

I don't know where he is now, but I know where we are.

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[Armenian]

Re: Russian domination of Armenia.

Russian support ring a bell? Over a $1 billion in russian military aid ring a bell?

Until 1992 Armenians in Nagorno Karabagh fought without any foreign help, unlike Azerbaijan that had strong assistance from the Soviet Union (until 1991), Pakistan, Turkey, Israel, Afghanistan, Chechnya, as well as significant help from various western powers. Azerbaijan has been literally awash in tens of billions of petrodollars and you are complaining about the one billion dollars in Russian military aid Armenia received? Nonetheless, the military aid you are referring to came 'after' the end of the war in 1994, not during. With Western/Turkish attempts to penetrate the Caucasus soon after the Soviet Union's collapse, Moscow realized the great strategic significance of Armenia. As a result, Moscow began assisting Armenia in 1993/1994 with the hopes of stopping the Turkish/Western penetration in the region.

[Hye_Psycho]

Re: Russian domination of Armenia.

As a result, Moscow began assisting Armenia in 1993/1994 with the hopes of stopping the Turkish/Western penetration in the region.

given recent diplomacy, would you be wary of making the rigid link between turkey and the west today? Surely Russia would not alow turkish incursion into the caucasus (which they covertly are) given their connection to NATO.

[crusader1492]

Re: Russian domination of Armenia.

Virgil is back!!!

I hope he sticks around!

[Armenian]

Re: Russian domination of Armenia.

given recent diplomacy, would you be wary of making the rigid link between turkey and the west today? Surely Russia would not alow turkish incursion into the caucasus (which they covertly are) given their connection to NATO.

Good question. A lot has changed in the region since Putin came to power. Russia's spectacular military victories over the Chechens and the Georgians during the last eight years (which were in essence victories over the West), coupled with the West's serious financial crisis, Russia today feels very confidant in the greater Caucasus region. Moscow feels confident enough to approach Ankara, a long standing NATO member, with serious longterm proposals. Turkey is feeling betrayed by the US and Israel because of their support of Kurdistan in northern Iraq, Turkey is feeling betrayed by Europe over the ever elusive European Union, and because of a resurgent Russia Turkey has also more-or-less given up hope on realizing its pan-Turanian wet dreams. Moreover, Turkey's large and lucrative economy is sorely dependent today on Russian supplied energy. So, in final analysis, Ankara may find itself being pushed into Russia's lap. How Moscow handles its new "friend" is anyone's guess.

I hope he sticks around!

He's like a shooting star. It shoots across the skies in a vivacious manner, it burns bright, it burns intense, but as soon as it seems to be reaching its climax, it's gone...