Buy N.K./Artsakh?

[Federate]

Re: Buy N.K./Artsakh?

You turks are so comical thinking you can come in here and convince us that you're armenian. Abush! I'm not even going to waste my time explaining why no armenian - regardless of his political affliation - would say the trash you just said.

Get lost.

Դժբախտաբար ընկեր Երաժիշտա, ապուշութիւնը ազգութեան պատեր չունի։ Չէի զարմանար եթէ այս «Անատոլիա»ն հայ ըլլայ։ Այսպիսի մարդոց համար Զորաւար Անդրանիկը շատ լաւ խօսք մը ըսեր է՝ «Դաւաճանութիւնը պէտք է արմատներէն կտրուի։»

[Federate]

Re: Buy N.K./Artsakh?

lol @ yerazhishda, yes turk chem. Khent es ench es aboush?

Hold on to dynamite long enough and its going to blow up in your face. Sometimes concessions must be made.

70 million turk + 30 million azeri vs. 3 million armenian........ Sometimes you just need to smile for your enemies even if it hurts. Think long-term!

Let me put this so you can understand it. "things that bend, dont break" you my friend are unable to bend.

Բարեւ, հայերէն գիտե՞ս կարդալ։ Ըսենք որ հայ ես եւ կը հասկնաս իմ գրածներս։ Շատ միամիտ ես ընկեր եթէ կը կարծես որ թուրքը պիտի կենայ երբ մենք իրենց տանք արծաթ պնակի մը վրայ մեր պատմական հողերը։ Առաջ որ աւելի խօսիմ, մէկ հատ ետ կարդայ այս վերջին գրածս՝ այո մեր պատմական հողերը ետ տալ. կը յուսամ որ այս վերջինը քեզ մտածել կու տայ։

Արդեօ՞ք պարոն Անատոլիա դուն գիտէիր որ Ատրպէճանը հողային պահաջքներ ունի Հայաստանի հանդէպ։ Ոչ, չեմ խօսիր Արցախի մասին, կը խօսիմ Երեւանի մասին (Իրեւա՞ն)։ Կարելի է նոյնիսկ չես գիտեր որ Ատրպէճանը Զանգեզուրի (Զենգեզու՞ր) հանդէպ հողային պահանջքներ ունի։ Եւ երբ կը կորսնցնենք այս վերջինը, պան-թուրքիսմը կ'ամբողջանայ եւ կրնաս դուն ցտեսութիւն յայտնել Հայաստանի։

Քեզի կը վստահեցնեմ որ ինչ որ ալ ընէ Հայաստանը, Ատրպէճան ըսուած կեղծ երկիրը պիտի մնայ մեր մինչեւ-մահ դշնամին։ Անկարելի է մեր եւ իրենց ժողովուրդները խաղաղութեամբ ապրին, շատ արիւն թափուեր է եւ իրենք պապուններու պէս կը վարուին երբ «հայ» բառը լսեն։

Իսկ այն ըսածիդ հանդէպ որ մենք միայն երեք միլիոն ենք եւ թուրքերը հարիւր միլիոն, հրեաների Հրեաստանի մէջ հինգ միլիոն են եւ մահմեդականները՝ մեկ միլիարդ։ Ո՞վ որուն մայրը կը քունէ։

[jgk3]

Re: Buy N.K./Artsakh?

you, my friend, should read the rest of this thread, and probably also this one: http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php?t=11485

We aren't in a position where we must make concessions in order to survive, quite the contrary, if we make concessions it will be the beginning of the end.

[truAnatolian]

Re: Buy N.K./Artsakh?

lol @ Yerazhishda, Yes Turk chem. Khent es ench es aboush?

Hold on to Dynamite long enough and its going to blow up in your face. Sometimes concessions must be made.

70 Million turk + 30 Million Azeri vs. 3 Million Armenian........ Sometimes you just need to smile for your enemies even if it hurts. Think long-term!

Let me put this so you can understand it. "Things that bend, dont break" You my friend are unable to bend.

[yerazhishda]

Re: Buy N.K./Artsakh?



You Turks are so comical thinking you can come in here and convince us that you're Armenian. Abush! I'm not even going to waste my time explaining why no Armenian - regardless of his political affliation - would say the trash you just said.

Get lost.

[truAnatolian]

Is Karabakh Worth it?

Obviously a very sensitive question, Some would brand me a traitor for even thinking up such a question.

I have been to karabakh and its beauty is pristine, its unmatched by anyplace in the world however we are sacrificing the development of Armenia proper. Karabakh is more symbolic than historically strategic, its time to look at things through the lens of time.

Consider this.... Armenia has posted double-digit growth in its GDP despite 75% of the borders being under blockade. Our economy and advancements are easily comparable with Georgia who has friendly relations (maybe too friendly) with both azerbaijan and turkey, has access to the Black Sea and hosts two major gas/oil pipelines. The diaspora is truely contributing to the development of our nation however it is nothing close to what it could be if we had neighbourly relations with Turkey and Azerbaijan. For a minute lets be realists and consider that there are 70 MILLION turks in Turkey and 30 Million Azeri's in Azerbaijan proper and Iran. Ofcourse it is hard for any armenian to swallow their pride but perhaps we would be better of embracing our Turkic neighbours. After all, look at the relaitonship between Japan and the U.S. and they Nuked them for god sake. Personally, I am for a strong and well developed Armenia no matter how small that may be. We are not really waiting anything out by clinging to Russia amd if (god forbid) a war of a magnitude occured that would redraw the borders of the caucasus and middle east, 3 Million Armenians are not going to end up with anything, let alone what we have now.

I think we should drop karabakh, embrace Turkey and Azerbaijan, profit as much as we can from their oil wealth and geo-political stance and wait for
the Kurds to fight the turks and the Azeri's will one day fight the Iranians..... If Armenia befriends the two turkic countries then we dont have any enemies left. From that position we can grow, but not from the position we have currently.

[crusader1492]

Re: Buy N.K./Artsakh?

hahahaha, do you know what the last war was? Do you?! You're talking like a child here. In the last war we fought against the world not only the Azeris. We had no support, non until 1993 when Russia started supporting us. Do you know we had no military and what our men went trough in those days. Do you know what the winter of 93 means. That's equal to hell in Hayastan. Grain was shipped from Iran so the people could have some food that was our only open border.

I think some people will never understand it what it was. And you start talking about Turkey and that they weren't involved they were ready to invade and destroy Armenia in 1993. So please before you make retarded threads like this stop and think about it.

It is painfully obvious that he doesn't know much (even on mundane Armenian topics such as the dram exchange rate - see http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php?t=11707&page=2).
Perhaps you can chalk his ignorance to a lack of world experience, or maybe his brain is a little numb.

...either way, when it comes to grave matters such as Armenia and Artsakh's security and general Armenian politics, ara87 should opt for someone else to do his thinking for him.

With that said, he seems like a good and sincere guy, so I hope he does not continue to make an ass out himself in future posts.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Buy N.K./Artsakh?

The difference is that this time, Turkey might take a larger role than just closing the borders, and the USA along with many European countries would back Azerbaijan, because Azerbaijan has oil, and is a source of energy Independence from Russia for Europe. Azerbaijan also makes for a better strategic ally in the middle east against Iran and in the Caucasus against Russia. Even if we won this possible future war, we'd still have to spend money on the military, and have to sacrifice lives also. So now instead of just losing money, we have to give up lives as well, just for the sake of dignity. There's also no guarantee that if we won this possible future war, that anyone would change their views and recognize N.K./Artsakh.

hahahaha, do you know what the last war was? Do you?! You're talking like a child here. In the last war we fought against the world not only the Azeris. We had no support, non until 1993 when Russia started supporting us. Do you know we had no military and what our men went trough in those days. Do you know what the winter of 93 means. That's equal to hell in Hayastan. Grain was shipped from Iran so the people could have some food that was our only open border.

I think some people will never understand it what it was. And you start talking about Turkey and that they weren't involved they were ready to invade and destroy Armenia in 1993. So please before you make retarded threads like this stop and think about it.

[seruven]

Re: Buy N.K./Artsakh?

I remember reading there has been some progress in the negotiations between Azerbaijan and Armenia over NK in Turkish press.
I don't know much about Karabagh issue. Do you know how they are trying to settle it?

P.S. Please do not respond by telling your thoughts about the issue. I am just asking for the objective info about the course of the negotiations, albeit I believe the governments probably do not explain what exactly goes on over there.
P.P.S. Is this the way that the word "albeit" is used in English?

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Buy N.K./Artsakh?

Where did i say give up Artsakh? I said i would like to know what an estimate would be of it's value should we ever hypothetically want to settle the conflict with a monetary transaction.

Yea I know it was hypothetical.... but you said its for dignity, I'm just saying our national existence depends on it.

But realistically, Azerbaijan would not accept money to give up their claims on Artsakh. How much are we going to give them? They make billions per year from oil.

But I know what you're asking, you just want to know according to real estate prices, how much would all of Artsakh cost. I don't know.