Azerbaijan - Internal Political Affairs

[Haykakan]

Re: Azerbaijan - Internal Political Affairs

Armenians do have a strong diaspora to fall back on (thanks to the turk)- that is true. But do not be too quick to forget all the big protests we have seen in Yerevan in the previous years. While Armenia is ruled by a number of Oligarchs-the azeris are ruled by a king/dictator. The azeris only stood up after two generations of this kind of rule and you are making them out to be some kind of freedom loving brave patriots-i doubt even a azeris could come to such a conclusion about themselves. You also disregard the killing of the doctor in Yerevan and strong public reaction that followed. Your story is onesided bell. Bad kitty!

[Artashes]

Re: Azerbaijan - Internal Political Affairs

Armenians do have a strong diaspora to fall back on (thanks to the turk)- that is true. But do not be too quick to forget all the big protests we have seen in Yerevan in the previous years. While Armenia is ruled by a number of Oligarchs-the azeris are ruled by a king/dictator. The azeris only stood up after two generations of this kind of rule and you are making them out to be some kind of freedom loving brave patriots-i doubt even a azeris could come to such a conclusion about themselves. You also disregard the killing of the doctor in Yerevan and strong public reaction that followed. Your story is onesided bell. Bad kitty!

---------- Bad kitty ------------
It's nice to start the day with a laugh, thanks.
Bell thought you made many valid points, but honestly the very essence of the two ( Armenian / hybrid hominoid ) should be obvious to you.
Do you participate in a baboon forum as you do ours ? Do you think you could speak your mind as freely on the streets of babooniville safely ? If you had to pick one place or the other to find a group of people to discuss with an open mind, would you pick baboonygoon ? ..........
Artashes

[Vahram]

Re: Azerbaijan - Internal Political Affairs

The situation in Ismayilli with Alakbarov and his son mirrors almost exactly the situation that existed in Gyumri

I'm am sick and tired of having this guy go off topic in this thread! Not to mention the fact that every chance he gets he will bad mouth Armenia with zeal. What has been bell's contribution in this thread? Has he posted anything relevant to this thread? Has he posted any of the latest videos or news concerning this subject matter?

The answer to all these questions is a resounding NO!

Instead he has taken every opertunity to bad mouth Armenians! Let me just quote a few of his colorful rasist slurs in this thread alone.

excuse for Armenia not washing properly

a true internet Armenian anyway (i.e., always loud of mouth but empty of brain and safe behind your keyboard).

All this while accusing others of being racists and hiding behind the very same keyboard...LOL

It must be hard for you little belig but I can say one thing. Regardless of your ethnic makeup DNA has a profound affect on you. You can be English or French, but DNA does mutate and the best example of this is your own words. You see if you only have hate in your heart for Armenians, and take every chance to knock them down it could possibly be not your fault. It could be your DNA that is so mutated to a point that it does not give you the ability to have anything reasonable to say about Armenians.

Getze Hayastan!

[Mher]

Re: Azerbaijan - Internal Political Affairs

Then how do you account for the difference in public reactions between Armenia and Azerbaijan?

The situation in Ismayilli with Alakbarov and his son mirrors almost exactly the situation that existed in Gyumri with Ghukasyan and his son (except that nobody has been saying that Alakbarov's son has committed multiple murders or been engaged in gun battles on the city streets). Even with far more provocation, in Gyumri, nobody torched Ghukasyan's hotel, or his villa, or his son's humvee. And I think the reprisals that will be taken against the Azeri protestors will be far more severe than any reprisals that would have taken place in Armenia in a similar situation.

I think the answer is that Armenians have the option of emigration, that is the option they have been choosing to avoid repression and poverty inside Armenia, and for cultural and historical reasons they are far more willing to do it than their Azeri counterparts. That takes the social pressure off in Armenia - whereas in Azerbaijan, where the oppression is much more heavy handed, the inevitable result is riots.

Bell, I spent three months in Gyumri in the summer, and though I couldn't personally explain it myself, the people where generally very happy with the mayor. This was something that I constantly inquired about from various different people in different positions and walks of life. It was almost the reverse of the situation in Azerbaijan where as Federate explained, Aliyev is able to shift most of the blame/hate to the local government. In Gyumri, they looked at the mayor as someone who was their hero to stand up to the Yerevantsi's and get them their own. The people had no problem with his personal wealth and simply cast it off as he had that before he came to power. Also, he seemed to do a lot to the help the locals when they needed help in terms of housing or funding charities[ not that this medieval/feudal system is one to celebrate or aim for]. So the reason people don't march in the streets or burn down his son's five star hotel is not that they are too lazy, or that they rather quit, but that they see the root of their problems as something caused by people in Yerevan/Stepanakert, and not the local government. It's a simple divide and conquer technique that is used in different way in both Armenian and Azerbaijan and seems to be working in both places.

[londontsi]

Re: Azerbaijan - Internal Political Affairs

Protest Baku

http://www.rightnow.io/breaking-news/protestbaku_bn_1359197421844.html

[londontsi]

Re: Azerbaijan - Internal Political Affairs

Published on Jan 24, 2013
Azerbaijan has withdrawn the first of 15 tons of GOLD from JP MOrgan Vaults,
continuing and reinforcing the trend of foreign account bank runs.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Azerbaijan - Internal Political Affairs

Ադրբեջանում խաղաղ ցույցը ավարտվել է 50 հոգու ձերբակալությամբ

26.01.2013
Ադրբեջանի մայրաքաղաք Բաքվում այսօր հարյուրավոր մարդիկ դուրս էին եկել փողոց` իրենց համերաշխությունը հայտնելով Իսմայիլի քաղաքում օրերս բողոքի դուրս եկած մարդկանց:

Սակայն ոստիկանությունը ուժ է կիրառել խաղաղ ցուցարարների նկատմամբ, ովքեր փորձում էին հավաքվել Բաքվի Շատրվանների հրապարակում: «Ազատություն» ռադիոկայանի ադրբեջանական ծառայությունը հայտնում է, որ ոստիկանությունը ավելի քան հինգ տասնյակ մարդու է ձերբակալել, այդ թվում` հայտնի բլոգեր Էմին Միլլիին, իրավապաշտպան Մալահաթ Նասիբովային եւ հետաքննող լրագրող Խադիջա Իսմայիլովային:

Շաբաթօրյա բողոքի ակցիան կազմակերվել էր երիտասարդ ակտիվիստների կողմից, ովքեր իրենց բողոքն էին արտահայտում Իսմայիլի քաղաքում մարդկանց դեմ ուժի կիրառման առնչությամբ:

Իսմայիլիում, որտեղ մի քանի օր բնակիչները բողոքում էին տեղական իշխանությունների դեմ, հունվարի 24-ին ոստիկանությունը արցունաբեր գազ եւ ջրցան մեքենաներ էր կիրառել` ամբոխին ցրելու համար: Բողոքի ակցիայի տասնյակ մասնակիցներ ձերբակալվել էին:

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Azerbaijan - Internal Political Affairs

Bell, I spent three months in Gyumri in the summer, and though I couldn't personally explain it myself, the people where generally very happy with the mayor. This was something that I constantly inquired about from various different people in different positions and walks of life. It was almost the reverse of the situation in Azerbaijan where as Federate explained, Aliyev is able to shift most of the blame/hate to the local government. In Gyumri, they looked at the mayor as someone who was their hero to stand up to the Yerevantsi's and get them their own. The people had no problem with his personal wealth and simply cast it off as he had that before he came to power. Also, he seemed to do a lot to the help the locals when they needed help in terms of housing or funding charities[ not that this medieval/feudal system is one to celebrate or aim for]. So the reason people don't march in the streets or burn down his son's five star hotel is not that they are too lazy, or that they rather quit, but that they see the root of their problems as something caused by people in Yerevan/Stepanakert, and not the local government. It's a simple divide and conquer technique that is used in different way in both Armenian and Azerbaijan and seems to be working in both places.

Which, if true, shows the political backwardness of voters in Gyumri. I don't think he had that much wealth before coming to power. Didn't the guy grow rich by ripping-off the people of Gyumri by creating a monopoly situation in Gyumri and then overcharging the municipality for the services his various businesses provided, from car imports to asphalt? Though his divide and conquer technique to blame Yerevan for the problems his activities were causing, and his unabashed "I'm a rich bastard, but at least I'm your bastard" attitude didn't stop him losing power in the end - showing that there are some limits to excesses. The completely over-the-top activities of his son probably had a lot to do with this though: at least two murders (including the case where, after a street shootout, a young boy is killed by some stray bullet, his body removed from the scene and placed in an abandoned building far away from his home, then mutilated with a grenate explosion to hide the evidence he was shot, and his death blamed on him playing with the grenade).

Oh, do you know if it true that the criminal elements in Gyumri tend to live in the Ani district and similar districts at the northern end of the city. When I was in Gyumri (was there for about a week) I was warned not to go to those parts (though I did anyway, to photograph the new church there).

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Azerbaijan - Internal Political Affairs

Regardless of your ethnic makeup DNA has a profound affect on you. You can be English or French, but DNA does mutate and the best example of this is your own words. You see if you only have hate in your heart for Armenians, and take every chance to knock them down it could possibly be not your fault. It could be your DNA that is so mutated to a point that it does not give you the ability to have anything reasonable to say about Armenians.

Getze Hayastan!

Would someone please explain to this idiot what DNA is - and what DNA isn't.

[Mher]

Re: Azerbaijan - Internal Political Affairs

Which, if true, shows the political backwardness of voters in Gyumri. I don't think he had that much wealth before coming to power. Didn't the guy grow rich by ripping-off the people of Gyumri by creating a monopoly situation in Gyumri and then overcharging the municipality for the services his various businesses provided, from car imports to asphalt? Though his divide and conquer technique to blame Yerevan for the problems his activities were causing, and his unabashed "I'm a rich bastard, but at least I'm your bastard" attitude didn't stop him losing power in the end - showing that there are some limits to excesses. The completely over-the-top activities of his son probably had a lot to do with this though: at least two murders (including the case where, after a street shootout, a young boy is killed by some stray bullet, his body removed from the scene and placed in an abandoned building far away from his home, then mutilated with a grenate explosion to hide the evidence he was shot, and his death blamed on him playing with the grenade).

Oh, do you know if it true that the criminal elements in Gyumri tend to live in the Ani district and similar districts at the northern end of the city. When I was in Gyumri (was there for about a week) I was warned not to go to those parts (though I did anyway, to photograph the new church there).

ironically enough, that is where I spent my entire stay, in the 58th (Ani) District, which was where I lived and also volunteered. The Birthright Armenia organization assigned all of the volunteers in Gyumri to that district specifically for homestays, though most volunteered at sites outside of the district. Their reasoning was that it was newer and more modern (everything was built following the earthquake). I never saw or heard of any criminal activity in the area. I don't think there was anything, because from what I saw it was a very decent and family friendly neighborhood.