"Armenia's Allies"

[yerazhishda]

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2. Armenia is only naked in caucasus because we refuse to give up ancient armenian lands to the turks but we're more than happy to let the russians have it? Including Karbakh which we so recently lost good men and women for?

You obviously no nothing of the inherent greedy, petty nature of turks who - given the chance - would gladly annex Armenia in a second. The struggle for Karabakh and the struggle for Armenia are one and the same, this is an unrefutable fact which has been proven over and over again by those within the ARF and Armenian intellectuals such as Dr. Armen Aivazyan. Please do some research before making silly comments such as these.

[Pazooki]

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1.Once your in the federation theres no coming out! (i.e Chechnya)

2. Armenia is only naked in caucasus because we refuse to give up ancient armenian lands to the turks but we're more than happy to let the russians have it? Including Karbakh which we so recently lost good men and women for?

I would make peace with the turks and georgians and give up karabakh before I decided to abandon our soveigrnty and join the RF! Or else what was the point of all the fighting for independence???! We could of been 1.5 million armenians richer if independence meant nothing and we should just join RF?!

Over my dead body!!

[truAnatolian]

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Armenian see my post above... I dont want that to go un-noticed by you.

[Pazooki]

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Armenia is already almost "in Russia", just as Canada is, when it boils down to it, part of the USA. Having Armenia officially part of Russia would help keep western intrigues towards Armenia out. I doubt that we'd have to experience the kind of dangers posed by figures like Levon anymore if Armenia was part of Russia officially.

And without Russia, we are naked in the Caucasus, is that what you want Anatolian? You'd prefer Armenia to have the immuno-deficiency virus offered by the west? Rot us from the inside out and feed our carcass to our lovely neighbours?

Quoted for unwanted truth.

[truAnatolian]

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1.Once your in the federation theres no coming out! (i.e Chechnya)

2. Armenia is only naked in caucasus because we refuse to give up ancient armenian lands to the turks but we're more than happy to let the russians have it? Including Karbakh which we so recently lost good men and women for?

I would make peace with the turks and georgians and give up karabakh before I decided to abandon our soveigrnty and join the RF! Or else what was the point of all the fighting for independence???! We could of been 1.5 million armenians richer if independence meant nothing and we should just join RF?!

[jgk3]

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Armenia is already almost "in Russia", just as Canada is, when it boils down to it, part of the USA. Having Armenia officially part of Russia would help keep western intrigues towards Armenia out. I doubt that we'd have to experience the kind of dangers posed by figures like Levon anymore if Armenia was part of Russia officially.

And without Russia, we are naked in the Caucasus, is that what you want Anatolian? You'd prefer Armenia to have the immuno-deficiency virus offered by the west? Rot us from the inside out and feed our carcass to our lovely neighbours?

[truAnatolian]

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I guess if you measured the rate of change in their perceptions it would appear more beneficial but Im not for twisting numbers and units to make information seem more favourable. Its the gross value that counts here.

Russians hate us for good reason? What reason is that? Our contribution of great composers? The MiG jet? Our contributions to their business and banking sector? or is it when we won them gold medals in chess as apart of the CCCP?

Thus, the poll result suggesting that only 82% of Armenians are pro-Russian is too low, a far as I'm concerned

Now that I remember correctly, it was you who wanted Armenia to join the RF. You disgust me, I have nightmares about people like you......

You honestly don't get a laugh when you read "New Square of Russia opened in Armenia".... Personally I almost crapped my self laughing, then I just got angry about the whole idea.

without a Russian presence in the Caucasus there can be no Armenia...

This is a myth. There is absolutely no proof of this other than extreme paranoia about the turks being ready to pounce at the first instance. Judging by alot of what I've read hear it seems to be an endemic issue in the population. This attitude serves us no good, its a toxic idea (lest I call it an emotion). Furtheremore, it won't benefit anyone but Russia to think this way.

[jgk3]

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very good points.

[Armenian]

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Post a link, we shouldn't have to go searching around the internet to find a poll that may or may not exist.

Dude, there was a poll conducted in Russia several years ago that suggested only two percent of Russians (roughly the Armenian percentage in Russia) had a favorable view of Armenians... How reliable are these polls, how are they conducted, who conducts them, who funds them, etc., are anyone's guess. However, sociologically/culturally speaking, Russians for good reason tend to dislike peoples of the Caucasus. So, one can say that we Armenians are guilty by association, and in the case of our mafia and "Rabiz" types, we are also guilty by action... The important factor here, however, is how Russia's politicians, military officials and the intelligentsia see us Armenians. And basing my perception on the high number of prominent Armenians in the Russian Federation, as well as the close strategic relations between the two nations, I suspect that in the realms that really count, high level politicians, military infrastructure and intelligentsia, Armenians are looked upon favorable by Russians. Needless to say, it's obvious why a high number of Armenians view Russia favorably - without a Russian presence in the Caucasus there can be no Armenia... Thus, the poll result suggesting that only 82% of Armenians are pro-Russian is too low, a far as I'm concerned. Having said this, I would also like to say that the 18% of Russians that view Armenians favorably (if true) is relatively speaking quite high. Like I said, it was merely two percent according to another poll not too long ago. If this poll accurate, it means that 18%, approximately twenty million, of Russia's population sees Armenia as their allies. All in all, this is a very good sign. I hope this favorable perception towards Armenians gradually increases in the coming years.

For what they are worth, I just found the other poll results. You can see that the current poll results posted by AnatolianTurk is actually very good news:

1% of Russians eye Armenia as Russia’s friend during next 10-15 years

Russian Public Opinion Research Center (VCIOM) presented information concerning the countries with which Russia will have the friendliest relations and with which it will be on the most inimical terms. Armenia is absent from the list of Russia’s potential enemies, although only 1% of Russians eye Armenia as Russia’s friend during next 10-15 years. 21% of respondents assume that Russia will be on best terms with China within the next 10 to 15 years; and only 3% consider that the relations with this country will be inimical or strained. 12% of respondents name Belorussia and Germany among the friendliest states; 2% of respondents provide a negative forecast in regard to Belorussia, less than 1% think negatively of Germany. Besides Germany, Russians also distinguish France (+6%, -1%) among the countries that are members of the European Union. 6% of respondents mention India as one of the most friendly countries of the next decade, another 6% mention Kazakhstan in this respect (there are practically no negative forecasts). The U.S. mostly evokes negative expectations: although 10% rely on friendship of this country with Russia, nevertheless, those, who assume that the relations between these two countries will rather be hostile or strained, are far more numerous (24%). Georgia occupies the second place in the negative list: 19% of respondents mention it as a potential enemy to Russia (whereas only 1% of respondents expect positive development of relations to take place). Forecasts as far as the Baltic countries are concerned are also rather negative (+1%, -7%). The views of Russians on Ukraine were nearly equally divided (+6%, -7%). Positive forecasts in respect to Russia’s relations with Japan are a little more numerous (+7%, -3%), Great Britain was more likely to be treated negatively (+3%, -7%). As a rule, more attention in Russia’s different federal districts is given to their immediate neighbors. Thus, in the Southern district, hopes that relations between Russia and Ukraine as its immediate neighbor will become friendlier are more frequently expressed than it generally is in Russia on average (11% in the district, 6% average in the country). 29% of respondents in the Far-Eastern district provide positive forecasts in connection with China, cf.: 21% on average in the country. 21% of respondents in the North Western region identify Germany as a friendly country, whereas 12% on average in the country do. On the whole, expectations that Russia’s relations with other countries in 10-15 years will be friendly are more typical than forecasts that these relations will be hostile. Among international organizations the most important world role in the next 5-10 years will be played by the European Union (as 32% of respondents assume), the "Great Eight" and NATO (28-29%). OPEC, WTO, United Nations Organization and UNESCO are considered to be the most influential organizations a little less often (13-17%). The role of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), of the Pacific Forum; the Commonwealth of the independent states (CIS), the Union of Russia and Belorussia, and the also International Olympic Committee seem to respondents to be still less important (5-8%). The All-Russia opinion poll was conducted by VCIOM on August 25-26, 2007. 1600 respondents were interviewed in 153 population areas of 46 regions of Russia. The statistical error does not exceed 3.4%.

Source:http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=23220

21% Of Russians Polled By Russian Public Opinion Poll Center Consider Ukraine Enemy Of Russia

According to a poll conducted by the all-Russian Center for Study of Public Opinion of Russians, 21% of Russian citizens consider Ukraine an enemy of Russia. Ukrainian News learned this from outcomes of the poll. Respondents were asked to name countries Russia had the most hostile relations. Of those polled, 25% said Russia's enemy was the Untied States, 25% named Georgia, 8% Britain, 6% named Baltic countries, 5% Poland and Estonia, 3% Japan and Latvia, 2% China and Lithiania, 1% Belarus, Germany, Iraq, Korea, France, Afghanistan, Czechnya, Mid east, former republic of the Soviet Union, and the European Union, and 1% were undecided. Meantime, 2% of Russians consider Ukraine a friendly state of Russia. Of those polled, 23% regard China as the best friend of Russia, 17% Germany, 14% Belarus, 9% the United States, 8% Kazakhstan, 7% India, 6% France, 4% countries of the European Union, 3% Bulgaria and Japan, 2% Armenia, Italy, Poland, and former republics of the Soviet Union, 1% Britain, Brazil, Israel, Iran, Spain, Korea, Serbia, Turkey, Finland, countries of South America, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, and countries of the east. Of those polled, 1% said Russia had good relations with all countries and 45% were undecided. The poll was conducted on April 5 and April 6. The center polled 1,600 Russians. The error margin is within 3.4%. As Ukrainian News earlier reported, in April, 25% of Ukrainians polled by the Public Opinion Fund - Ukraine (FOM) said they expected the relations with Russia will improve within eight years.

Source: http://www.ukranews.com/eng/article/121449.html

[yerazhishda]

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Post a link, we shouldn't have to go searching around the internet to find a poll that may or may not exist.