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  • KarotheGreat
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    Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

    Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
    I do not agree. It is true that Artsakh is an independent state (Nagorno Karabakh Republic) but to say that the Armenian President has no power or influence there is fooling yourself. There is a big political advantage to keep things the way they are. Serj can claim that he has no authority there or cannot deal on their behalf when he needs the political advantage. I say it must be kept this way, it is a clever setup.

    Did you know visitors to NKR must get visa in Yerevan and can only enter NKR through Armenia?

    http://www.nkrusa.org/country_profil..._tourism.shtml
    When it comes to giving up any lands Serj hasn't any power and he knows that and that's why he keeps going to those talks because when they go wrong he knows that he can say I don't haven any power there. He has influence there but his influence doesn't matter on some issues.

    Yah and Hamzachiban is a sovereign city-state LOL.
    So are you saying I'm wrong because if you are doing that proof that I'm wrong.

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  • Mukuch
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    Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
    Think the word you were looking for is sovereign
    yah, whateva...

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  • KanadaHye
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    Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

    Originally posted by Mukuch View Post
    Yah and Hamzachiban is a suveren city-state LOL.
    Think the word you were looking for is sovereign

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  • Mukuch
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    Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

    Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
    Artsakh is an independent country and Serj doesn't have the power to decide what should be done there. And that is the funny thing that the Azeris haven't realized and it seems many of you haven't either.
    Yah and Hamzachiban is a sovereign city-state LOL.
    Last edited by Mukuch; 06-26-2009, 07:32 AM.

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  • Mukuch
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    Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

    Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
    Good try muk but you know full well when you say they are selling it you mean they are doing it for their own financial/personal reasons but the fact is they are willing to trade some of those lands only if it means a lasting peace and a chance for both armenia and kharabagh to grow and develope..
    Armenia and Karabakh have perfect chance to grow and develop right now if not the unlimited corruption which rules there. If you are so primitive that you understant selling literaly "land for money" than you are simply dumb. All depends what you consider a personal reason. Giving up on lands (any lands) that is covered by blood of Armenian fighters can be just in PERSONAL interests of dumb politicians who has no talent to achieve peas by other means and will do anything just to kip their "chair".




    Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
    I don't know what you thought you were fighting for but the people of gharabagh and armenia are fighting for the right to exist and live their lives in peace and prosperity, if they can get that by giving up a pretty much unpopulated region or two then so be it. Endless war means death to armenia and then you will be blaming it on the russians to i guess instead of your own thickheadedness.
    Look, tsak, it is far beyond of limits of your understanding what I thought I was fighting for. And if you think that you can talk from name of "people of gharabagh and armenia" than you need medical help...

    And ones again xxxx you and xxxx russians...
    Last edited by Mukuch; 06-29-2009, 02:20 AM.

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  • Eddo211
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    Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

    Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
    Artsakh is an independent country and Serj doesn't have the power to decide what should be done there. And that is the funny thing that the Azeris haven't realized and it seems many of you haven't either.


    I do not agree. It is true that Artsakh is an independent state (Nagorno Karabakh Republic) but to say that the Armenian President has no power or influence there is fooling yourself. There is a big political advantage to keep things the way they are. Serj can claim that he has no authority there or cannot deal on their behalf when he needs the political advantage. I say it must be kept this way, it is a clever setup.

    Did you know visitors to NKR must get visa in Yerevan and can only enter NKR through Armenia?

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  • hipeter924
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    Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

    Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
    Artsakh is an independent country and Serj doesn't have the power to decide what should be done there. And that is the funny thing that the Azeris haven't realized and it seems many of you haven't either.
    Yep. The reason why it is tied closely to Armenia is simply because Turkey and Azerbaijan want to destroy it, if there wasn't that sort of situation it would be much easier to see where Armenia and Artsakh is different.

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  • KarotheGreat
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    Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

    Originally posted by Mukuch View Post
    Read again what you wrote... LOL ?


    Surrounding regions? Isn’t it the land I and other 30.000 guys have paid with blood?
    Artsakh is an independent country and Serj doesn't have the power to decide what should be done there. And that is the funny thing that the Azeris haven't realized and it seems many of you haven't either.

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  • Haykakan
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    Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

    Originally posted by Mukuch View Post
    Read again what you wrote... LOL ?


    Surrounding regions? Isn’t it the land I and other 30.000 guys have paid with blood?
    Good try muk but you know full well when you say they are selling it you mean they are doing it for their own financial/personal reasons but the fact is they are willing to trade some of those lands only if it means a lasting peace and a chance for both armenia and kharabagh to grow and develope. I don't know what you thought you were fighting for but the people of gharabagh and armenia are fighting for the right to exist and live their lives in peace and prosperity, if they can get that by giving up a pretty much unpopulated region or two then so be it. Endless war means death to armenia and then you will be blaming it on the russians to i guess instead of your own thickheadedness.

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  • Mukuch
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    Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

    Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
    They may give up some of the surrounding regions but they will get something of value in return. It makes me laughf when i hear you say they are going to sell it lol.
    Read again what you wrote... LOL ?


    Surrounding regions? Isn’t it the land I and other 30.000 guys have paid with blood?
    Last edited by Mukuch; 06-25-2009, 07:38 AM.

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