Monte Melkonian

[AbuSindi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Monte had his up and downs. In the end he did something that was God given , but he also did some tavajan work for the Tashnag Party.

What the hell are you talking about? Can you elaborate what you mean by "Monte did tavajan work for the Tashnag Party?" If anything, the creator of ASALA, Hakop Hakopian (which is not his true name but an alias) was the traitor. If you've read a single book about ASALA, you would know that almost all the members of ASALA were against him towards the end because he killed many of their comrades. He was responsible for the deaths of some patriotic Armenians in the ranks of ASALA because his main intentions was not struggling for the recognition of the Genocide, but rather enriching himself and gaining power. I know former members of ASALA who say it's a shame Hakopian is buried in Yerablur next to our heroes who were marytyred for our holy land.

[ASALA2116]

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What the hell are you talking about? Can you elaborate what you mean by "Monte did tavajan work for the Tashnag Party?" If anything, the creator of ASALA, Hakop Hakopian (which is not his true name but an alias) was the traitor. If you've read a single book about ASALA, you would know that almost all the members of ASALA were against him towards the end because he killed many of their comrades. He was responsible for the deaths of some patriotic Armenians in the ranks of ASALA because his main intentions was not struggling for the recognition of the Genocide, but rather enriching himself and gaining power. I know former members of ASALA who say it's a shame Hakopian is buried in Yerablur next to our heroes who were marytyred for our holy land.

Firstly Hagopian is not buried in Yerablur. It's a stone but there is not one single bone there from any ASALA member. Secondly his name was Mujahid his real name was Hagop Takoushian. Monte was a known CIA spy that was killed by Armenians in Karabagh. They tried to kill him a few times. Monte was militarily smart that's why he became a leader right away. His CIA skills helped him. ASALA members didn't hate Hagopian .. You don't know what you are talking about. Maybe you been speaking to that traitor Alec Yenikomshian. Sislian will never say that nor will Garabedian , nor will Julfayan. You got no information on ASALA and surely don't know the history of Monte. Hagopian wanted to keep ASALA confidential but some people were working to release classified information only to kill Havarian and Ayvazian and have many others killed. Monte did wrong and I'm sure he knows it too. In the end he became a hero , Tavit Tavitian got killed in Armenia too the other Tashnag Orospu..

[ASALA2116]

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If you want to talk about ASALA don't speak like you know things because it seems you are far from the truth. The reason why ASALA declared war on the Tashnag Party was because the Tashnags like Zeitlian and Aznavourian couldn't accept there slaves waking up to the truth. So they instead of helping ASALA turned against them , cursing families like Ekmejians , Tarakjians. Basmajians etc.

[AbuSindi]

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Firstly Hagopian is not buried in Yerablur. It's a stone but there is not one single bone there from any ASALA member. Secondly his name was Mujahid his real name was Hagop Takoushian. Monte was a known CIA spy that was killed by Armenians in Karabagh. They tried to kill him a few times. Monte was militarily smart that's why he became a leader right away. His CIA skills helped him. ASALA members didn't hate Hagopian .. You don't know what you are talking about. Maybe you been speaking to that traitor Alec Yenikomshian. Sislian will never say that nor will Garabedian , nor will Julfayan. You got no information on ASALA and surely don't know the history of Monte. Hagopian wanted to keep ASALA confidential but some people were working to release classified information only to kill Havarian and Ayvazian and have many others killed. Monte did wrong and I'm sure he knows it too. In the end he became a hero , Tavit Tavitian got killed in Armenia too the other Tashnag Orospu..

Aper lets just agree to disagree or else this conversation will go on forever, but let me tell you one thing. What you're saying is along the lines of blasphemy. You're defaming the name and character of one our greatest heroes who made the ultimate sacrifice for our Hayrenik. You're not only calling Monte a traitous spy, but the martys and fedayis that fought alongside him as well. Don't ever repeat that BS that Monte was killed by an Armenian. EVER! I know Monte's brother Markar. He used to be my professor in college. I still speak to him occasionally. He gets offended and angry every time someone mentions that an Armenian killed him because it isn't true. Don't repeat that nonsense ever! You don't know what your speaking about. Markar even met the Turk who killed him because he was captured. A bullet never struck Monte at all. He was hit by a fragment of a shell launched from a tank. The shell hit the wall and exploded lodging a piece of metal shrapnel behind Monte's head killing him instantly. That's why some idiots claim Monte "was shot behind the head by an Armenian."

You said your piece and I said mine. Now let's just leave it at that for the sake of not taking over this thread with our arguments. If you want you can message me and I will give you my phone number or my email and we debate the facts elsewhere.

[Eddo211]

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Monte was killed in action

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[ASALA2116]

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Aper lets just agree to disagree or else this conversation will go on forever, but let me tell you one thing. What you're saying is along the lines of blasphemy. You're defaming the name and character of one our greatest heroes who made the ultimate sacrifice for our Hayrenik. You're not only calling Monte a traitous spy, but the martys and fedayis that fought alongside him as well. Don't ever repeat that BS that Monte was killed by an Armenian. EVER! I know Monte's brother Markar. He used to be my professor in college. I still speak to him occasionally. He gets offended and angry every time someone mentions that an Armenian killed him because it isn't true. Don't repeat that nonsense ever! You don't know what your speaking about. Markar even met the Turk who killed him because he was captured. A bullet never struck Monte at all. He was hit by a fragment of a shell launched from a tank. The shell hit the wall and exploded lodging a piece of metal shrapnel behind Monte's head killing him instantly. That's why some idiots claim Monte "was shot behind the head by an Armenian."

You said your piece and I said mine. Now let's just leave it at that for the sake of not taking over this thread with our arguments. If you want you can message me and I will give you my phone number or my email and we debate the facts elsewhere.

Is truth blasphemy ? Go ask your professor who ordered the killing of Khatchig Havarian and Vicken Ayvazian. Like I said before you are far from the events that happened back then. Just speaking to some ASALA members and talking to Markar doesn't make you a scholar in the Times of 1975 - 1984.

[Mher]

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Firstly Hagopian is not buried in Yerablur. It's a stone but there is not one single bone there from any ASALA member. Secondly his name was Mujahid his real name was Hagop Takoushian. Monte was a known CIA spy that was killed by Armenians in Karabagh. They tried to kill him a few times. Monte was militarily smart that's why he became a leader right away. His CIA skills helped him. ASALA members didn't hate Hagopian .. You don't know what you are talking about. Maybe you been speaking to that traitor Alec Yenikomshian. Sislian will never say that nor will Garabedian , nor will Julfayan. You got no information on ASALA and surely don't know the history of Monte. Hagopian wanted to keep ASALA confidential but some people were working to release classified information only to kill Havarian and Ayvazian and have many others killed. Monte did wrong and I'm sure he knows it too. In the end he became a hero , Tavit Tavitian got killed in Armenia too the other Tashnag Orospu..

first of all, to all new members: There's more than one thread in this forum. Find the appropriate one for this and all other unrelated topics, if you can't find one, make one.

second of all:

ape i don't know who you are, how old you are, what you're background is, etc-so I don't want to be overly disrespectful to someone possibly older than me-bayc el arten you're talking about stuff that is above you

Repeating ludicrous unverified rumors that you heard repeated by others because they sound edgy and secretive doesn't make you look like an expert. It just makes you look foolish. In the general public you might come off like an authority on the topic saying that stuff, but in a place like this forum where pretty much everyone knows their stuff, you just sound like a fool.

Monte was a CIA agent? attempt to provide some evidence you have for this. I mean concrete proof. Because this is what I know. Mostly by mere coincidence, over the years I've met his brother, cousin/soldier, a lot of his former soldiers, wife's roommate in yerevan 90-92, random people in karabakh who met him during the war,, etc and what every single one of them has said is that you know how people are usually embellished in their greatness once they are gone? Well Monte was toned down in all the publications about him. That you couldn't really through the words of someone else encapsulate the level of single minded motivation, dedication, and focus he had for the Armenian cause. I have met people whose only interaction with him was when he put them in prison for a few days for screwing up in the fronts, and they still sang his praises. So go ahead and explain how he was a CIA agent or what are some of the wrong you think he did


Monte was killed by enemy fire. So don't start with that baseless nonsense. Out of the three or four people that were with him when he died, one of them was my close friend's uncle. His account of the event of that day resembles the account of it in his brother's book. What justification do you have, what proof do you have that he was killed by friendly fire. Because I've already heard all of them and sorry to say they all sound idiotic conspiracies.

I don't even want to bother with the ASALA stuff, but it sounds like you need to operate less on rumor and more on fact my friend. I'm sure you know people, but I know people too. The stuff you're saying just comes off ridiculous

[AbuSindi]

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first of all, to all new members: There's more than one thread in this forum. Find the appropriate one for this and all other unrelated topics, if you can't find one, make one.

second of all:

ape i don't know who you are, how old you are, what you're background is, etc-so I don't want to be overly disrespectful to someone possibly older than me-bayc el arten you're talking about stuff that is above you

Repeating ludicrous unverified rumors that you heard repeated by others because they sound edgy and secretive doesn't make you look like an expert. It just makes you look foolish. In the general public you might come off like an authority on the topic saying that stuff, but in a place like this forum where pretty much everyone knows their stuff, you just sound like a fool.

Monte was a CIA agent? attempt to provide some evidence you have for this. I mean concrete proof. Because this is what I know. Mostly by mere coincidence, over the years I've met his brother, cousin/soldier, a lot of his former soldiers, wife's roommate in yerevan 90-92, random people in karabakh who met him during the war,, etc and what every single one of them has said is that you know how people are usually embellished in their greatness once they are gone? Well Monte was toned down in all the publications about him. That you couldn't really through the words of someone else encapsulate the level of single minded motivation, dedication, and focus he had for the Armenian cause. I have met people whose only interaction with him was when he put them in prison for a few days for screwing up in the fronts, and they still sang his praises. So go ahead and explain how he was a CIA agent or what are some of the wrong you think he did


Monte was killed by enemy fire. So don't start with that baseless nonsense. Out of the three or four people that were with him when he died, one of them was my close friend's uncle. His account of the event of that day resembles the account of it in his brother's book. What justification do you have, what proof do you have that he was killed by friend fire. Because I've already heard all of them and sorry to say they all sound idiotic conspiracies.

I don't even want to bother with the ASALA stuff, but it sounds like you need to operate less on rumor and more on fact my friend. I'm sure you know people, but I know people too. The stuff you're saying just comes off ridiculous

Mher jan I've been following this thread for a while and it's only recently that I started participating but you always make educated, impartial, and well though out posts. I always enjoy hearing your view on things. I wish many people approach issues like you. I myself, try to question everything I'm told or have read, in my best efforts to think critically. However, I don't repeat heresay and conspiracies. Bravo to you brother!

[ASALA2116]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

first of all, to all new members: There's more than one thread in this forum. Find the appropriate one for this and all other unrelated topics, if you can't find one, make one.

second of all:

ape i don't know who you are, how old you are, what you're background is, etc-so I don't want to be overly disrespectful to someone possibly older than me-bayc el arten you're talking about stuff that is above you

Repeating ludicrous unverified rumors that you heard repeated by others because they sound edgy and secretive doesn't make you look like an expert. It just makes you look foolish. In the general public you might come off like an authority on the topic saying that stuff, but in a place like this forum where pretty much everyone knows their stuff, you just sound like a fool.

Monte was a CIA agent? attempt to provide some evidence you have for this. I mean concrete proof. Because this is what I know. Mostly by mere coincidence, over the years I've met his brother, cousin/soldier, a lot of his former soldiers, wife's roommate in yerevan 90-92, random people in karabakh who met him during the war,, etc and what every single one of them has said is that you know how people are usually embellished in their greatness once they are gone? Well Monte was toned down in all the publications about him. That you couldn't really through the words of someone else encapsulate the level of single minded motivation, dedication, and focus he had for the Armenian cause. I have met people whose only interaction with him was when he put them in prison for a few days for screwing up in the fronts, and they still sang his praises. So go ahead and explain how he was a CIA agent or what are some of the wrong you think he did


Monte was killed by enemy fire. So don't start with that baseless nonsense. Out of the three or four people that were with him when he died, one of them was my close friend's uncle. His account of the event of that day resembles the account of it in his brother's book. What justification do you have, what proof do you have that he was killed by friend fire. Because I've already heard all of them and sorry to say they all sound idiotic conspiracies.

I don't even want to bother with the ASALA stuff, but it sounds like you need to operate less on rumor and more on fact my friend. I'm sure you know people, but I know people too. The stuff you're saying just comes off ridiculous

Another guy that blabbers garbage. See the thing is you didn't know Montes past before he came to Karabagh. Your understanding of him starts at 1991. I understand you guys love him his a hero to you all whatever , but when someone lets you know in some info that is true , don't be a denialist. The CIA name given to Monte was because when he arrived to Lebanon and fought in some battles in Arakadz he held a gun differently then other Armenians, he read Maps and understood the art of war he was a professional soldier and everyone around him knew it , but truthfully he wasn't trustworthy as the suspicions were always there. I'm not going to write an essay but at his hands I lost a member of my family who was one of the leaders of ASALA. We all know he had large involvement and in the end think what you want how he died. An oath was made that blood will pay blood. You guys don't know any of the things that happened before Karabagh so if I was you , I would zip my mouth in all honesty, no disrespect. This is the last time speaking about him. My interest is Armenia.

[haydavid]

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Another guy that blabbers garbage. See the thing is you didn't know Montes past before he came to Karabagh. Your understanding of him starts at 1991. I understand you guys love him his a hero to you all whatever , but when someone lets you know in some info that is true , don't be a denialist. The CIA name given to Monte was because when he arrived to Lebanon and fought in some battles in Arakadz he held a gun differently then other Armenians, he read Maps and understood the art of war he was a professional soldier and everyone around him knew it , but truthfully he wasn't trustworthy as the suspicions were always there. I'm not going to write an essay but at his hands I lost a member of my family who was one of the leaders of ASALA. We all know he had large involvement and in the end think what you want how he died. An oath was made that blood will pay blood. You guys don't know any of the things that happened before Karabagh so if I was you , I would zip my mouth in all honesty, no disrespect. This is the last time speaking about him. My interest is Armenia.

It's too easy for you to say that we don't know xxxx while you haven't said anything that is close to reality. Yeah you heard those rumors from your family and co, but like Mher perfectly said that isnt enough proof at all. Saying that you know way more while proving nothing is complete bs. You could be right, maybe he isnt who we think he is, but while some others here have real sources you have give noone other than your family. I'm not against you, I just want to see serieus sources.