Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

[hipeter924]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

It's such a shame that the azeri government brainwashed
many lezgins to fight for the azeris, while the rest of the azeri
boys were at home fattening their stomachs'.

Its a psychotic military dictatorship, that's just as bad (if not worse) than North Korea. Does any more have to be said?...There is an Azeri elite that gets to live, and the rest of the Azeri's are cannon fodder.

[Icy]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

It's such a shame that the azeri government brainwashed
many lezgins to fight for the azeris, while the rest of the azeri
boys were at home fattening their stomachs'.

[Federate]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

From 2008.
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Lezgins, Avars and Tsakhurs of Azerbaijan Demand Autonomy
by Jack Manuelian

This past June 18, some minorities in Azerbaijan circulated a petition complaining about their dire condition in their historical lands inside Azerbaijan.

The Russian language website >rossia3.ru< reported the petition as stating "Lezgins, Avars and Tsakhurs who live in their historical motherland in Balakan, Zaqatala, Qax, Saki, Qabala, Qusar, Quba and Xacmaz districts of the Azerbaijani Republic say that they are in danger of being exterminated physically and deported by force. The Azerbaijani Republic was established on Turkish bayonets for the first time in history in 1918, and part of our motherland was also incorporated into it by force. The protests of indigenous Lezgins, Avars and Tsakhurs, who did not want to be part of a Turkic state, were brutally suppressed and drowned in blood. This was occupation. The Soviet authorities, which came to Azerbaijan in 1920, did not wish to investigate our problems and satisfy the aspirations and hopes of our nations, and left our motherland within the Azerbaijani SSR [Soviet Socialist Republic]. The 70 years of Soviet rule were a real nightmare for our peoples. We were not allowed to read and write in our native languages, our schools were closed and we became the only peoples in the Soviet Union who were forced to pay for their education at high schools, colleges and institutions of higher education. The pages that mentioned our culture and history were taken out of textbooks. Finally, we were simply excluded from the demographic statistics of Azerbaijan. We simply 'didn't exist', although in reality the total number of Lezgins, Avars and Tsakhurs in the Azerbaijani SSR exceeds one million."

-Furthermore the petition says that After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Azerbaijan violated international law and Soviet legislation by failing to hold a referendum to allow ethnic minorities to decide their own fate-

The petition continues: "Thus, we state: throughout the 20th century, Azerbaijan occupied our territories twice and usurped power in it. Azerbaijan aims to completely oust Lezgins, Avars and Tsakhurs from our motherland...Azerbaijan continues its policy of ethnic cleansing and Turkicization against our motherland. The lion's share of positions in the leadership of our districts, especially in the law-enforcement bodies, are held by ethnic Azerbaijanis recently settled in our territories. The police regularly carry out large-scale operations, after which representatives of our intelligentsia disappear without trace in Azerbaijani prisons. On 25 March of this year, Azerbaijan's law-enforcement agencies launched a large-scale operation in Lezgin-populated towns and villages in Qusar and Xacmaz districts and arrested religious figures, heads of youth organizations, representatives of the intelligentsia, journalists, men and women - hundreds of people. Azerbaijan has in fact declared a war on the indigenous population of the country." for their part those minorities are asking for autonomy for their nations on their historical motherland occupied presently by Azerbaijan.

An Azeri writer, Rashid-Oglu, reflected the general fears of Azerbaijan by saying "Separatist moods in these ethnic groups may seriously harm stability in Azerbaijan. Note that regions densely populated by ethnic minorities are located near Azerbaijan's borders: Lezgins on the Russian border, Kurds on the Armenian border and the Talis on the Iranian border, which simplifies the task. Russian ideologists suppose that these minorities can either break away from Azerbaijan completely and merge with neighbouring countries or create their own political establishments under the protection of neighbouring countries. All this seems quite realistic especially in the light of the rapidly changing geopolitical situation in the world and in our region.

"The situation surrounding the Lezgins in Azerbaijan resembles the situation surrounding Ossetians in South Ossetia who are also separated from most their fellow countrymen living in Russia. Many in Baku prefer to ignore the problem of ethnic separatism. Well, it once had deplorable consequences for our country in Karabakh. It is believed that as Baku becomes more friendly with Washington, Russia will play the ethnic card more actively and the situation will only deteriorate"

Clearly Azerbaijan has no future and will evanesce unless it changes to a humanitarian and democratic entity, caring and sacrificing itself for the betterment of its minorities and inhabitants without any discrimination.

http://www.panarmenian.net/library/eng/?nid=184

[Joseph]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

Yes, I have heard of Sadval and totally agree that it has a potential to be the next Ossetia in the future. Russia has many Lezgins on its border with Azerbaijan and the situation parallels North Ossetia/South Ossetia. Russia can easily play the Lezgin card one day and invade Azerbaijan if it misbehaves. In the meantime, it should start funding Sadval in order to destabilise Azerbaijan. Perhaps the Lezgins should contact representatives from Artsakh and cooperate in the future as well.

The Talish made a half-hearted attempt but with more Russian and Armenian support, we can perhaps one day help the Avars, Talish, Lezghins.

[Joseph]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

We speak a North-East Caucasian language. Isn't it enough?

You must be out of your mind to call a Pure Caucasian people as Turkic.

Avars are the biggest ethnic group of Dagestan, btw.

We were Orthodox before converting but all Maaruls are Muslim now.

Aslanov, I hope the Avar, Tats, Talish, Lezghins get their own states one day in what is "Azerbaijan". The Azeris sent many of your innocent young men to die on the front in Artsakh while the Azeri boys were safe at home.

[Yakamoz]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

We speak a North-East Caucasian language. Isn't it enough?

You must be out of your mind to call a Pure Caucasian people as Turkic.

Avars are the biggest ethnic group of Dagestan, btw.

We were Orthodox before converting but all Maaruls are Muslim now.

Of course!

I have just learned a new thing about Avars in Caucasia

[Aslanov]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

Yes, I have heard of Sadval and totally agree that it has a potential to be the next Ossetia in the future. Russia has many Lezgins on its border with Azerbaijan and the situation parallels North Ossetia/South Ossetia. Russia can easily play the Lezgin card one day and invade Azerbaijan if it misbehaves. In the meantime, it should start funding Sadval in order to destabilise Azerbaijan. Perhaps the Lezgins should contact representatives from Artsakh and cooperate in the future as well.

Many Lezgins have Russian citizenship already.

There are actually dispute between Russia and Azerbaijan on 2 Lezgin villages wich are in Azerbaijan but the population are Russian citizenship.

[Federate]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

Have you heard of Lezgin organization called Sadval?

Well, GOV says we are only 50-100 thousound but its a lie. We are at least 200 thousound. The thing is, there are so many assimilated Avars.

Modern population of districts like Qakh, Zaqatala and Balaken are all Avar in-fact but mostly assimilated.

Lezgin number are officially 200 thousound but they must be near 1 million.

Avars try to do something but the Lezgin issue can actually became something like Ossetia in future.

But you see my avatar?

Its the flag of Azerbaijani Avars wich GOV considers "separatist".

Yes, I have heard of Sadval and totally agree that it has a potential to be the next Ossetia in the future. Russia has many Lezgins on its border with Azerbaijan and the situation parallels North Ossetia/South Ossetia. Russia can easily play the Lezgin card one day and invade Azerbaijan if it misbehaves. In the meantime, it should start funding Sadval in order to destabilise Azerbaijan. Perhaps the Lezgins should contact representatives from Artsakh and cooperate in the future as well.

[Aslanov]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

This is scientific mistake... Because both groups are called " Avar "

BTW, What is your religion ? Are you orthodox ?

We speak a North-East Caucasian language. Isn't it enough?

You must be out of your mind to call a Pure Caucasian people as Turkic.

Avars are the biggest ethnic group of Dagestan, btw.

We were Orthodox before converting but all Maaruls are Muslim now.

[Aslanov]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

That's a nice map. It's a shame the Azeris have oppressed and forcefully assimilated many Lezgis already in order to hide their true numbers.

Did you know the Talysh once had a short-lived state while the Artsakh war was happening? Check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talysh-...omous_Republic

What can you tell me about the Avars and their numbers/strength in Azerbaijan?

Have you heard of Lezgin organization called Sadval?

Well, GOV says we are only 50-100 thousound but its a lie. We are at least 200 thousound. The thing is, there are so many assimilated Avars.

Modern population of districts like Qakh, Zaqatala and Balaken are all Avar in-fact but mostly assimilated.

Lezgin number are officially 200 thousound but they must be near 1 million.

Avars try to do something but the Lezgin issue can actually became something like Ossetia in future.

But you see my avatar?

Its the flag of Azerbaijani Avars wich GOV considers "separatist".