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  • Artashes
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    Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

    Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
    Artashes, do you claim that the now day Balkanian Albanians are originally from the Transcaucasus?
    Our Aghvans on the north-eastern shores of the Kur river and the Albans of Kosovo and Pristina are related??????

    Is there any trace of such migration?
    How come they did such a migration, while we were at the middle?
    Those guys language is caucasian related???
    No, I'm not saying the Albanians of modern Balkans originated in the Caucasian mountains.
    I'm saying the Albanians of the Balkans and the old Albanians that came into the Caucasians about 6th century bc ad the same people.
    It was about the same time period that both came into the respective areas.
    The language is only related to both Albania and Caucasian to about 6th century bc.

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  • Artashes
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    Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

    Also let me make an example here.
    The Talish were originally old Albanian/Udi.
    Those people's pushed us out but many isolated armenian communities were trapped and absorbed before the Turkic invasions began(long before).
    We occupied the entire shallow water Caspian coast and little bit more since archaic times and there are hidden Armenian communities Evan to this day.
    If one tries to find oldest place names you will see this.
    Also there are hidden ancient Armenian kingdoms from this early period that have never been found(no one is looking for them).

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  • Vrej1915
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    Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

    Artashes, do you claim that the now day Balkanian Albanians are originally from the Transcaucasus?
    Our Aghvans on the north-eastern shores of the Kur river and the Albans of Kosovo and Pristina are related??????

    Is there any trace of such migration?
    How come they did such a migration, while we were at the middle?
    Those guys language is caucasian related???

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  • Artashes
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    Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

    Several things wrong in above posts.
    General time frame in above posts are around 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th century ad.
    Many claims of Caucasian language(but with large percentage of Iranic /Turkic words.
    Also stated that Caucasian (Albanian) is not related to Albanian of contemporary Albanian.
    All wrong.
    Approx. 6th century bc a large group of people showed up in the watershed between what is now Georgia and the Caspian sea.
    Those people are directly related to the people who occupied what is now known as modern Albania.
    Their are virtually none of these people left of the original(old Albanians) in that distinct form.
    The closest are the Udi.
    The Udi before they became Udi were these (old Albanians) that were attacked by a precursor Iranic (Parthic) people's. The (Irons) spoken of are those precursor Iranic .
    The other people's spoken of are a result of following waves of Turkic/Hunic invaders that we're either from the breakup of the original Mongol army or waves of people(Turkic/Hunic) that were pushed out(escaped)
    From the original formation of the original Mongol army.
    Their are no Caucasian Albanians before about 6 th century bc.
    Those (old Albanians) start their history then and cannot remember(or don't want to) were they came from.
    Those original Albanians predate all the other people's who claim ancestors their.
    The Armenians had been living from their to the Caspian for thousands of years before 600 bc.
    Look at the names of of mountains streams etc. to easily see our original presence.
    Also the Hurrians and Subartians predate the Albanian arrival and were the original part of us(Armenian) that were pushed out of the region.
    The claim(bull sh-t) by any and all Turk/Hunic/Mongolics is nothing more than another attempt by them to legitimize their false claim to be indeginous to the area.
    Armenia had small kingdoms scattered throughout the area long before anyone else showed up.
    Their is more and it can be found but you cannot talk of 3/4/5/6th century ad and call those people original
    Caucasian.
    Artashes

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  • arakeretzig
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    Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

    Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
    Azerbaijan: Tackling Ethnicity and Conflict No Easy Task

    Reporter describes how things get very personal if you ask people how they feel about Armenians.

    http://iwpr.net/
    dont bother. It's a lost cause. azeris wont last that long.

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  • Vrej1915
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    Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

    Azerbaijanis Flock to Iran for Food, Medicines

    Everything is cheaper south of the border, and healthcare is perceived as better as well.
    By Samira Ahmedbeyli - Caucasus
    CRS Issue 643,
    28 May 12

    People from southern Azerbaijan make regular trips to neighbouring Iran to buy food and access healthcare. Despite the crowds and obstructive officials at the border crossing, they say it is still worth the effort for the money they save.

    For some commentators, the cross-border trade is also a cause for alarm, where some see it as another avenue through which Tehran can project its influence. Despite cultural similarities between the two nations, post-Soviet Azerbaijan and Islamic Iran maintain an uneasy coexistence.

    “There are many unemployed people like me in Astara, and most of the men in work have insecure temporary jobs and earn a maximum of 200 manats [250 US dollars] a month,” Akif Huseynov, from the border town of Astara, said. “How can you feed a family on that amount? We have to go to Iran, where everything is half the price it is here.”

    The frontier separates Astara from its Iranian namesake, and long queues form at customs as people from other parts of southern Azerbaijan like Lenkoran and Lerik join the locals on their shopping forays.

    Huseynov said Iranian officials were helpful and did not stop people going home with bagloads of food they had bought – in contrast to their Azerbaijani counterparts.

    “Each time we go, our customs officers take half our food away from us and discard it. Supposedly you’re not allowed to bring in more than ten kilograms of foodstuffs, and they say you have to pay one or two manats for every extra kilogram. That makes the cost the same as it is in Astara, and you’d have to ask why you even went to Iran,” he said.

    Before walking across to the Iranian side, would-be visitors have to wait inside one of a pair of caged enclosures, which lead to customs in Astara.

    When an IWPR reporter visited, a crowd of Azerbaijani nationals were kept waiting in one of these for three hours. The other enclosure, designated for foreign citizens, was faster, though it still took an hour. A cleaner pointed the journalist to this faster route, which she said she could enter in return for a “small fee”.

    “You can see this horror show every day from early in the morning until 12 or one o’clock,” said Maqsud, a man from Yardimli in southern Azerbaijan. “The majority of these people are lie me, going to Iran for food. First you have to wait two or three hours just to get inside the cage, then you have to stand inside it for about the same amount of time. It’s closed off on all sides and people often get ill there. And it takes an hour for the border guards to open the door while you’re shouting at them.”

    Despite this treatment, Maqsud said he went to Iran twice a month.

    “I am a teacher on 240 manats [a month]. If I don’t go to Iran to get food, my family will starve,” he said. “Of course you can shell out ten or 15 manats and go via the left-hand cage which is meant for foreigners. People are allowed through quicker and you don’t have to wait nearly as long. But I can buy a lot of food in Iran for that money, so it’s a shame to give it to the border guards.”

    Asen Hashimli, a member of the opposition Musavat party who lives in Iran, said the situation was an indictment of conditions in Azerbaijan.

    “All these people are going to Iran for cheap food, manufactured goods and medicines. And it isn’t the first year this has been happening,” he said. “Medicines in Iran are low in price and high in quality. For poor Azerbaijanis, Iran has become the only hope of feeding their families and getting treatment. And sadly, Azerbaijani customs exploit them.”

    Safura Qadimova is among those who have benefited from Iran’s healthcare system.

    “I’ve been married eight years, but we didn’t have children. I underwent endless tests and treatment, amounting to over 5,000 manats,” she said. “In the end, my friends advised me to go to Iran. I spent 400 dollars there and it only took a month – after the first course of treatment, I got pregnant immediately.”

    Natig Ibadov, Astara’s deputy mayor with special responsibility for healthcare, acknowledged that local residents often went to Iran for treatment, but he insisted the town’s new hospital would improve matters.

    “It’s got everything. The president set aside another two million manats to build a second wing. Now we’ll be able to treat our own patients and there will be no need to go to Iran,” Ibadov said.

    The hospital is certainly large and looks well-equipped. But when this IWPR contributor visited it, there was not a single patient in sight, just doctors and nurses sitting drinking tea.

    Hashimli said the hospital would do little to stem the flow of people heading for Iran.

    “If we don’t have decent doctors, and the ones we do have think only about getting money from their patients, then who’s going to go there?” he asked. “Everyone is still going to Iran.”

    Hashimli said the government needed to pay more attention to southern parts of Azerbaijan because of their strategically sensitive location.

    “It’s no secret that Iran wields influence in southern areas of Azerbaijan. And now it’s expanding its influence because of the local population’s needs,” he said. “Our government has to take this seriously. It must provide people with work and create the conditions for them to live decent lives, to study and to access medical treatment, so that citizens of Azerbaijan aren’t reliant on Iran.”

    Samira Ahmedbeyli is an IWPR reporter on Azerbaijan.

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  • Vrej1915
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    Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

    Azerbaijan: Tackling Ethnicity and Conflict No Easy Task

    Reporter describes how things get very personal if you ask people how they feel about Armenians.
    By Shahla Sultanova - Caucasus
    CRS Issue 636,
    26 Mar 12
    My interview for a scholarship at the Caucasus School of Journalism and Media Management in Georgia was going well, when Professor Tinatin Tsomaia asked me whether I would mind studying alongside an Armenian.

    “And this Armenian is from Nagorny Karabakh,” she added.

    I knew that objecting might cost me the scholarship, but I could not help myself.


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    “You have an Armenian student from Nagorny Karabakh?” I said. “Don’t expect me to be tolerant. That’s Azerbaijani land. It should be Azerbaijanis at your school.”

    I was raised in the north of Azerbaijan in the ethnic Avar community, so my family did not experience the trauma caused by the Karabakh war. We did not witness the exodus of refugees who lost their homes and their loved ones. We never heard gunfire or saw people killed.

    Nevertheless, like many young people in Azerbaijan, I had been conditioned by the media and my teachers to hate Armenians.

    Fortunately, I got the scholarship anyway. On our first day at the school of journalism, all the students sat in a Tbilisi café introducing ourselves. We just said our first names, so we had no idea of each other’s ethnic origin.

    I sat next to a girl with hazel eyes who smiled all the time. Charmed by her friendliness and taking her for a Georgian, I chatted to her. It was only in class that I discovered she was the Armenian student from Nagorny Karabakh, Lilit Asryan.

    I could not maintain my reserve for long. Her positive energy made me smile back at her when we worked on group projects, and I soon reversed my views altogether. She was a great person, not just some Armenian.

    By the end, Lilit was my best friend at college. We never discussed Nagorny Karabakh, guessing it would take us nowhere. But along with the other Armenian students at on the course, she removed all my prejudices against the nation.

    Since returning to Azerbaijan, I have often been criticised by friends and colleagues for my tolerant attitudes towards Armenians.

    I had to face the same issues when I was gathering material for a jointly-authored piece on history textbooks, called History Lessons in Armenia and Azerbaijan.

    When I asked an Azerbaijani school pupil, “Is it OK to call Armenians fascists and bandits in textbooks?,” his teacher got angry with me. She accused me of asking the “wrong” questions and “brainwashing” her pupils. For her, those were the right terms to use about Armenians, and that was that.

    The author of one of the history texts under discussion, Tofig Veliyev, accused me of acting against the interests of the Azerbaijani nation when I asked him if it was necessary to describe the Armenians as ‘fascists’ in his book. He said I was siding with the Armenians, and I should change my ways.

    I asked the people I interviewed as many questions as I could. That made the grandfather of one interviewee, schoolgirl Guljennet Huseynli, suspicious and he asked whether I knew anything about the Karabakh war.

    “I don think you know enough to report on this issue,” he said. “You’re asking such provocative questions. Of course young people will hate them [Armenians]. That’s the way it should be.”

    He knew I was from the north of Azerbaijan, which is mostly populated by minorities, and he said my ethnicity would lead me to write a biased story.

    My facial features caused me problems. Because I don’t look like a typical Azerbaijani, people asked me whether I was of mixed ethnicity. When I told them I was an Avar, that put them on their guard me.

    “It isn’t right for an Avar to cover issues like Nagorny Karabakh. You need to be an ethnic Azerbaijani to understand what we really feel,” one person I approached said.

    Faig Shahbazli, head of the education ministry’s publications department, was very friendly during the interview I conducted with him, but then he stopped and asked whether I was from a mixed marriage.

    Fearing he would say the same thing as other interviewees, I replied, “No. Both my parents are Azerbaijani,” lying about my ethnicity for the first time in my life.

    I have to note, however, that some people welcomed the idea of writing about how Azerbaijani and Armenian history books describe the other side. They tended to be middle-aged Azerbaijanis who had Armenian friends before the conflict.

    IWPR - Institute for War & Peace Reporting gives voice to people at the frontlines of conflict and transition to help them drive change.

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  • Armat
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    Re: Armenia will be the winner if manupulation of politics could be put in action

    Originally posted by Pedro Xaramillo View Post
    Translated :


    We do not believe the Armenian people to be our enemes.
    The Editor of Voskanapat.info received a petition signed by non-governmental organizations and indigenous leaders of the Azerbaijan Republic. In the appendix to this Appeal is written:

    Dear friends!

    As you well know, today is International Human Rights Day. Groups of organizations and individuals representing indigenous peoples of Azerbaijan Republic asks you to publish our appeal to the young people.
    We do not want anyone to quarrel. We do not want a war. We vote for peace. And we ask you to help convey our message to young people in Azerbaijan.

    As requested, Voskanapat.info published text of the letter in its original form, without editorial interference.

    Treatment of social organizations and indigenous leaders of Azerbaijan to the relatives residing in Belarus

    Dear brothers and sons!

    For the past 20 years, as the leadership of Azerbaijan makes our people to fight against the Armenians of Artsakh - Karabakh. Perhaps this is - the greatest injustice in which the indigenous peoples of Azerbaijan Republic were unwittingly involved. For more than twenty years, our boys have been risking their lives and die young in the interests of the Azerbaijanis. Kill themselves, kill our secular neighbors - Armenians. And all this in order to strengthen the power of Baku in our homeland.

    Nobody in the world can explain to us why Lezgins, Talysh, Avar, Tsakhurs, Udi, Rutul have to fight in the Armenian mountains? Baku says that we must defend our homeland from the enemy. But since when is Karabakh is our homeland? And since when are the Armenians our enemies?

    When 20 years ago the Azerbaijani Republic declared its independence from the Soviet Union, she did not ask us - the indigenous inhabitants of the region - whether we agree with this decision. As a result of this ambiguity, many of us have become separated by border nations. Today we are - Rutul, Tsakhurs, Avars, Lezgins ... - want to make the fight more and our borders strengthened for the benefit of preventing assimilation by the existing regime.

    The whole world knows how, during the war from 1988 - 1994 in Karabakh, Azeris and Kurds cowardly fled from the Armenian soldiers. Meanwhile, thousands and thousands of our boys laid down their young heads in Karabakh, Aliev has helped to consolidate his power in Azerbaijan. Today Aliyevs occupy our lands, they fled from Nagorno-Karabakh Azeris and Kurds, take away our homes, we are being evicted from our Azerbaijani counterparts. Our land, our ancestral homeland populated by many thousands of Azerbaijanis Nakhichevan and Georgia, and in this, as it may be bitter to admit, is our great sadness.

    Republic of Azerbaijan allocated huge funds for the army, and there is no doubt that sooner or later the army will turn against us, the native inhabitants. According to the criminal ideology of the Baku government, they have the task of Turkification of our homeland, we have no right to learn and speak our own language, have no right to sing our songs, to sing about our national heroes. We take away the story! We take up the language! We throw away our culture! We throw away our Motherland! And in this act prohibited by Allah Almighty we are, by our silence and inaction, helping the enemy.

    Yes, we do not accidentally call the Government of the Republic of Azerbaijan an enemy. Only the enemy might do to the people as has been done in Azerbaijan. Only an enemy can prohibit people learn their native language, to develop national culture. Only the enemy may try to assimilate the nation, to take the land from the people living there for millennia. Only an enemy can displace us from our homeland and settle in our home outsiders Azerbaijanis.

    Our dear sons and brothers!

    We declare that we are not enemies of the Armenian people. We also declare that the Armenian people do not consider us our enemy.
    History of the Armenians and peoples mingled in our blessed land, left deep roots in the ground, and we can not allow our common enemy among us to kindle strife and hatred.

    We urge you all to decisively abandon service in the armed forces of Azerbaijan on the border with Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.

    We are not against army service, but we are categorically opposed to shoot the Armenians. Our young men must serve in the army only in our historical homeland: Lezgins in Lezgistan, Talysh Talysh in the Avars and Tsakhurs - in the Jar ... We are ready to defend our country against any enemy, no matter how powerful, and it may seem numerous, but we do not seek to conquer Karabakh for those who destroy us along with our historical heritage and the past.

    This - our just position on the conflict between Baku and Stepanakert. This is- not our war and our boys, our future should not be affected by it. If Azerbaijan will win the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh, the next target in the way of the conquest of others will inevitably find ourselves, we will: Talysh, Avars, Lezgins, Udi, Tsakhurs ... Azerbaijan will seize the experience of war with the Armenians, so that tomorrow our hands and the hands of our sons to suppress the movement for freedom of our own people. And then we lose our hope for eternity of sovereign power in our historic homeland.

    Our dear sons and brothers!

    We all must understand that today helping Azerbaijan to fight against the Armenians friendly to us, we are creating the possibility for Azerbaijan to suppress our natural desire for freedom.

    Do not be afraid of the reaction of the Azerbaijani government on a fair decision. If even half or one third of our guys will take this decision, they will be powerless against it. Baku is well known that indigenous peoples in the countrymake up much more than Azeris. From traditional strength no one can do about it.

    In Baku, must understand that our demand is not a declaration of war against the government of Azerbaijan, our claim is based on the simple human desire to live in peace with our neighbors.

    We stand for peaceful South Caucasus. We vote for peace. We want to go ahead with your head held high people, who refused to shed the blood of their loved ones. And if someone does not like our decision, it is not our problem.

    Brothers and sisters!

    Do not allow their sons to serve on the border with Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. We are obliged to initiate a peaceful life for all peoples of the Caucasus, and to condemn the irresponsible leadership of the Republic of Azerbaijan calls for a new war.

    We can initiate a peaceful life for all peoples of the Caucasus.
    This is - a unique situation: if we accept this decision and determination to put it, the threat of war will end, as Azeris had never dared to renew the war itself.

    The indigenous peoples of the Republic of Azerbaijan is a serious military and political factor. Peace in the South Caucasus depends on us. The lives of thousands and thousands of our sons is dependent on our determination.

    We encourage you to think about our future and the future of our children and our country. Demonstrate to the Government of Azerbaijan and the world that we are against war. Save the lives of our sons.

    The appeal was signed by :

    Avar alliance Jamaat:
    Magomedov Muslim Saidovich
    Chupanov Mohammed Akhmedovich
    Lobster Khizri Zhahbarovich
    Shamil Magomedov Mikailovich

    Chairman of the World Congress of the Lezghian people
    Magomed Magomedov Atluhanovich

    Chairman of the All-Russian Union Lezghian officers
    Magomed Magomedov Omarovich

    Chairman of the All-Russian Union of Youth Lezghin
    Abdullaev Anvar Inayatovich

    Rutul writer and publicist
    Fazil Dashlay

    Director of the Talysh edition Iranian radio
    Yasser Karamzoda

    Treatment is open to all organizations and individuals who wish to join.
    great post thank you

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  • Pedro Xaramillo
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    Re: Armenia will be the winner if manupulation of politics could be put in action

    Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
    Мы не считаем армянский народ нашим врагом
    В редакцию Voskanapat.info поступило Обращение, подписанное общественными организациями и лидерами коренных народов Азербайджанской республики. В приложении к данному Обращению написано...
    Translated :


    We do not believe the Armenian people to be our enemes.
    The Editor of Voskanapat.info received a petition signed by non-governmental organizations and indigenous leaders of the Azerbaijan Republic. In the appendix to this Appeal is written:

    Dear friends!

    As you well know, today is International Human Rights Day. Groups of organizations and individuals representing indigenous peoples of Azerbaijan Republic asks you to publish our appeal to the young people.
    We do not want anyone to quarrel. We do not want a war. We vote for peace. And we ask you to help convey our message to young people in Azerbaijan.

    As requested, Voskanapat.info published text of the letter in its original form, without editorial interference.

    Treatment of social organizations and indigenous leaders of Azerbaijan to the relatives residing in Belarus

    Dear brothers and sons!

    For the past 20 years, as the leadership of Azerbaijan makes our people to fight against the Armenians of Artsakh - Karabakh. Perhaps this is - the greatest injustice in which the indigenous peoples of Azerbaijan Republic were unwittingly involved. For more than twenty years, our boys have been risking their lives and die young in the interests of the Azerbaijanis. Kill themselves, kill our secular neighbors - Armenians. And all this in order to strengthen the power of Baku in our homeland.

    Nobody in the world can explain to us why Lezgins, Talysh, Avar, Tsakhurs, Udi, Rutul have to fight in the Armenian mountains? Baku says that we must defend our homeland from the enemy. But since when is Karabakh is our homeland? And since when are the Armenians our enemies?

    When 20 years ago the Azerbaijani Republic declared its independence from the Soviet Union, she did not ask us - the indigenous inhabitants of the region - whether we agree with this decision. As a result of this ambiguity, many of us have become separated by border nations. Today we are - Rutul, Tsakhurs, Avars, Lezgins ... - want to make the fight more and our borders strengthened for the benefit of preventing assimilation by the existing regime.

    The whole world knows how, during the war from 1988 - 1994 in Karabakh, Azeris and Kurds cowardly fled from the Armenian soldiers. Meanwhile, thousands and thousands of our boys laid down their young heads in Karabakh, Aliev has helped to consolidate his power in Azerbaijan. Today Aliyevs occupy our lands, they fled from Nagorno-Karabakh Azeris and Kurds, take away our homes, we are being evicted from our Azerbaijani counterparts. Our land, our ancestral homeland populated by many thousands of Azerbaijanis Nakhichevan and Georgia, and in this, as it may be bitter to admit, is our great sadness.

    Republic of Azerbaijan allocated huge funds for the army, and there is no doubt that sooner or later the army will turn against us, the native inhabitants. According to the criminal ideology of the Baku government, they have the task of Turkification of our homeland, we have no right to learn and speak our own language, have no right to sing our songs, to sing about our national heroes. We take away the story! We take up the language! We throw away our culture! We throw away our Motherland! And in this act prohibited by Allah Almighty we are, by our silence and inaction, helping the enemy.

    Yes, we do not accidentally call the Government of the Republic of Azerbaijan an enemy. Only the enemy might do to the people as has been done in Azerbaijan. Only an enemy can prohibit people learn their native language, to develop national culture. Only the enemy may try to assimilate the nation, to take the land from the people living there for millennia. Only an enemy can displace us from our homeland and settle in our home outsiders Azerbaijanis.

    Our dear sons and brothers!

    We declare that we are not enemies of the Armenian people. We also declare that the Armenian people do not consider us our enemy.
    History of the Armenians and peoples mingled in our blessed land, left deep roots in the ground, and we can not allow our common enemy among us to kindle strife and hatred.

    We urge you all to decisively abandon service in the armed forces of Azerbaijan on the border with Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.

    We are not against army service, but we are categorically opposed to shoot the Armenians. Our young men must serve in the army only in our historical homeland: Lezgins in Lezgistan, Talysh Talysh in the Avars and Tsakhurs - in the Jar ... We are ready to defend our country against any enemy, no matter how powerful, and it may seem numerous, but we do not seek to conquer Karabakh for those who destroy us along with our historical heritage and the past.

    This - our just position on the conflict between Baku and Stepanakert. This is- not our war and our boys, our future should not be affected by it. If Azerbaijan will win the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh, the next target in the way of the conquest of others will inevitably find ourselves, we will: Talysh, Avars, Lezgins, Udi, Tsakhurs ... Azerbaijan will seize the experience of war with the Armenians, so that tomorrow our hands and the hands of our sons to suppress the movement for freedom of our own people. And then we lose our hope for eternity of sovereign power in our historic homeland.

    Our dear sons and brothers!

    We all must understand that today helping Azerbaijan to fight against the Armenians friendly to us, we are creating the possibility for Azerbaijan to suppress our natural desire for freedom.

    Do not be afraid of the reaction of the Azerbaijani government on a fair decision. If even half or one third of our guys will take this decision, they will be powerless against it. Baku is well known that indigenous peoples in the countrymake up much more than Azeris. From traditional strength no one can do about it.

    In Baku, must understand that our demand is not a declaration of war against the government of Azerbaijan, our claim is based on the simple human desire to live in peace with our neighbors.

    We stand for peaceful South Caucasus. We vote for peace. We want to go ahead with your head held high people, who refused to shed the blood of their loved ones. And if someone does not like our decision, it is not our problem.

    Brothers and sisters!

    Do not allow their sons to serve on the border with Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. We are obliged to initiate a peaceful life for all peoples of the Caucasus, and to condemn the irresponsible leadership of the Republic of Azerbaijan calls for a new war.

    We can initiate a peaceful life for all peoples of the Caucasus.
    This is - a unique situation: if we accept this decision and determination to put it, the threat of war will end, as Azeris had never dared to renew the war itself.

    The indigenous peoples of the Republic of Azerbaijan is a serious military and political factor. Peace in the South Caucasus depends on us. The lives of thousands and thousands of our sons is dependent on our determination.

    We encourage you to think about our future and the future of our children and our country. Demonstrate to the Government of Azerbaijan and the world that we are against war. Save the lives of our sons.

    The appeal was signed by :

    Avar alliance Jamaat:
    Magomedov Muslim Saidovich
    Chupanov Mohammed Akhmedovich
    Lobster Khizri Zhahbarovich
    Shamil Magomedov Mikailovich

    Chairman of the World Congress of the Lezghian people
    Magomed Magomedov Atluhanovich

    Chairman of the All-Russian Union Lezghian officers
    Magomed Magomedov Omarovich

    Chairman of the All-Russian Union of Youth Lezghin
    Abdullaev Anvar Inayatovich

    Rutul writer and publicist
    Fazil Dashlay

    Director of the Talysh edition Iranian radio
    Yasser Karamzoda

    Treatment is open to all organizations and individuals who wish to join.

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