Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

[Artashes]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

Also if I'm not mistaken I think(but not sure) the author may address not only caucasia/balkan but also multitude of languages. Probably going to get reprimanded fo anticipating.
Have not stopped endeavor but gotta give my brain a rest from computer fighting.
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

Yes I agree. Sorry for paultry crap.
Without using my computer ineptitude as an excuse I think the scholarly look being taken holds genuine ilucidation on this very subject. I cannot say any more for it struck me that contentions about what author was attempting to expound were heating up.
I am going to find name of author/book in next day or two but need to stop spending so much time fighting computer.
Are you saying you don't know what book I'm speaking of(Georgian woman finds "old Albanian type in Alexandria Egypt -- German plus another scholar etc"?
These particular studies are at one of the cardinal points of this specific quest.
Artashes

[Vrej1915]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

Insofar as genetic relation or lack of between Caucasian and balkan I find that impossible to believe.
The devastation the original"Albanian experienced may greatly obfuscate the genetic relation but I dought that a genetic relation cannot be established. Had this as a search point and was not sure how exactly to tackle but will pursue that to its conclusion.
The name or word "Albanian" was not what these people originally called themselves but rather a name given to them by others.
There are many "Albanians" in America. I know of a family that owns a restaurant. Have talked with them before. Will make a point to talk again in more depth next time I pass that area.
Never personally met an Udi but have searched out pictures of faces. Many are the spitten image of each other.
Was searching the "word" Albanian and before I crashed kept comming up with different claims as to origination.
Without knowing what the word means or why whoever called them that and why they chose to call them that I'll say this ----- one of the common things I see amongst the two people's is the " pale-- ness of their skin. If I was going to describe them I would be tempted to call them "pale" people.
Artashes

[Vrej1915]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

[Artashes]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

Insofar as genetic relation or lack of between Caucasian and balkan I find that impossible to believe.
The devastation the original"Albanian experienced may greatly obfuscate the genetic relation but I dought that a genetic relation cannot be established. Had this as a search point and was not sure how exactly to tackle but will pursue that to its conclusion.
The name or word "Albanian" was not what these people originally called themselves but rather a name given to them by others.
There are many "Albanians" in America. I know of a family that owns a restaurant. Have talked with them before. Will make a point to talk again in more depth next time I pass that area.
Never personally met an Udi but have searched out pictures of faces. Many are the spitten image of each other.
Was searching the "word" Albanian and before I crashed kept comming up with different claims as to origination.
Without knowing what the word means or why whoever called them that and why they chose to call them that I'll say this ----- one of the common things I see amongst the two people's is the " pale-- ness of their skin. If I was going to describe them I would be tempted to call them "pale" people.
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

The Caucasian Albania has no what's so ever connection to the new Albanian republic,the only similar is the naming that comes from the greek alban word that in ancient times described the mountain people,dont forget the ancient caucasian albania had many different tribes.
The Balkan Albanians has no connection genetically or linguistically to ancient caucasian ones neither any immigration took place of that people.

I disagree. I'm not talking about new Albania republic though. That republic has such a heavy Slavic stamp(stomp) not to mention the Greeks or roman hammer it's confusing the "Albanian" issue.
In my opinion many of these unintelligible to each other languages in both caucasia and Balkan areas are in fact related. I was hoping to find a relating substrate when my search endeavor crashed. Insofar as genetic relation I again disagree. Have to go
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[UrMistake]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

The Caucasian Albania has no what's so ever connection to the new Albanian republic,the only similar is the naming that comes from the greek alban word that in ancient times described the mountain people,dont forget the ancient caucasian albania had many different tribes.
The Balkan Albanians has no connection genetically or linguistically to ancient caucasian ones neither any immigration took place of that people.

[Artashes]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

Also concerning the Albanians of the Balkans --- the trail I was following before I fell off it lead me to this --- the Albanians got there first by a wide margin but the various latter arrivals(Greeks, Romans, Slavics) have confused the scene greatly.
In my opinion Balkan and Caucasian Albanians are related. Caucasian Albanians are originate, Balkan is one of earliest expansion areas.
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

Also concerning post 68 --- I found my view of Amenian and old Albanians too focused on Armenians which lead me to inaccurate opinion of origins of location of old Albanians. What I said before about old Albanians(all 26 languages) coming into watershed between Georgia and Caspian all the way to Artsakh I still hold as true. But I was not looking at north, north east and north west of area in Caucasian mountains. By only focusing on where we had been since time I memorable it looked to me that they came from somewhere else. I'm now thinking in fact the old Albanians (all 26 or so ) did originate in the Caucasian mountains just not originating in our traditional area. Also it is looking (to me ) like we and them are related from a far distant path.
Also Aghavhank and Arran are after the fact and not the starting point. Am having trouble going backwards from their.
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

Good

But if ever you succeed, you will make someone called Serjik unhappy !
The poor is already in a mess, after saying that Aghdam was not his fatherland, just to be pissed of by a bunch old archeologists who decided to unearth Tikranakert.
Now if you come in with Absheron and Shirvan,as originally ours, he will be forced to take Baku ......

To Vrej 1915 from Artashes ---
I screwed up. In an attempt to learn how to send pictures of "wild edibles" I went to AT-T and asked for help with learning I pad. After 29 minutes the A T and T pro through up her hands and sent me to an Apple representative. After 25 minutes their the Apple people asked if I could leave my I pad with them for an hour or so. Although I learned about "flicker" for sending pics all the research info I had was no longer on I pad.
I apparently was storing info in wrong spot. The top bar on I pad screen ware you touch an x to make things disappear is ware I had been storing things and Appe wiped that out. When I found that out my brain went flat. I now have to start over. I'm working massive hours and am getting burnt out.
Two things --- (1) will retract my statements as fact and instead say --- in my opinion --- and (2) relate what I can remember.
As I was struggling with this frickin highly intuitive computer device I believe I came across Bell the Cat talking to someone about a book that's just published or soon to be published. Because my brain went flat I can't remember any names or title but here is the story --- a Georgian gal finds a skin with writing on it in Alexandria Egypt. The originanal writing has been scraped off and new writing done. The Georgian gal determines the original writing is old Udi or related. Some one else finds old manuscript in Armenia with similar writing and alphabet. Another person (name made me think -- German/Joo -- ) writes a book concerning this.
Have to stop there because of scholarly controversy. Need to read this book first before I can say more without getting into trouble. Am hoping you or Bell can tell me name of book and author and if yet published.
Have more to say but this post is so long I'm getting sleepy. Will say more shortly.
Artashes