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Re: Armenia: A Second Israel
hi londontsi,
among all the outragouse claims and plans where I suggested the fall of an independant state you only grabed the populating of Ajaria? Anyway you are perfectly right about populating Ajaria and even uniting Djavakhk with Armenia and Russia advancing southwards. This is just an idea or somekind of a premative plan not all ideas can me implemented but its through brain storming something can be found and in the end we ae just discussing here.
Suedia,
If your numbers are taken to be acurate we can see that Tukish population in Turkey have grown 7 times whereas Armenian population have grown 4.67 times well if you look at it its not that far off bearing in mind that Armenians had more harship after the Armenian Genocide than Turks it more difficult to increase in numbers in foreign counties than your own. Not to forgeth the "tsulum" factor if someone lives outside of his homeland. Did you know poland had huge Armenian population in the past where are they now? Either they megrated to another country or more important lost their identity. Moreover we shouldn't forget the factor of Soviet Union where again many Armenians were killed were exiled to Siberia its not the same as having an independant country with GREAT geographical location and in the end don't forget about World War 2 where Armenains gave 300,000 (10% of the Armenian population then) victims to the war fighting against Germany whereas Turkey didn't take part in the war.
Now for the sake of the discussion I want to take this one step forward.
In my opinon if we give Armenians a suitable enviroment they will get more in numbers now we can see in advanced countries the population actually is declining because of so many factors i don't want to talk about now this may happen in Armenia too even if we make the socioeconomic situation better in Armenia people now are just giving birth to 2 children in average but I think in case of Armenians if we put some kind of finential help or reward we can imporve the birth rates and if we have enough money as a nation even though bizzare and unthinkable we can manage to populate Ajaria but the first step in all this is the money how to make the whole Nation ritch cherity? I have already said i don't believe in it. we have been trying cahrity till now All Armenian fund this year collected I donno 17 mill or less? if we add all the charity organisations all together how much money are they sending to Armenia? 300 mill max? (I think Im still being genurouse) so if we continue like this we won't get to anyplace or we atchieve a little.
In my opinon WE MUST FIND ANOTHER WAY MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO MAKE MONEY AS A NATION. hOW? i have talked bout this befor i had a few replies by Haykakan who dismissed the idea. I want to repeat it beacause I believe its the only way to get stronger. Bear in mind Im basing my observations and formulas based on Lebanon becasue I live there and I see and know what is happening over here maybe based on your experiances in your countries you can change and imporve the idea.
I donno if you all know, there is something called "azkayin durk" meaning "national Tax" collected by the church or "azkayin Arachnortaran" in the diaspora it is around 30$ a year to all adults. recently I have asked many people and talked to priests where does this money go if there is a booklet printed every year that shows and talks about the spending of the money, the asnwer was no there is no booklet no one could know exactly where this money goes and according to the Lebanese society corruption is a common thing in this case (let me tell little you understand more) by the way NO ONE pays this tax on time or very few pay it on time this tax accumulates till the day you want to get married or baptise your child etc by the church and in this occation you pay all the amount that you have acumulatd through the years.
Frist of all we must make the population willing to pay this tax but to do so the minimume thing required is trancparency show where is the money going to all of the populkation and let them see that the money isn't going in vain.
The other question is how to use this money? in Lebanon if we say ther are 50000 Armenians who pay this taxt every year this means we have 1.5 mill USD income every year in my opinon this is nothing to be proud of but this is a lot to start with my idea is investment. Starting businesses in Lebanon creating jobs for Armenians here starthing with small steps opening companies with this capital and thinking only to make money to make the capital larger do not forget every year 1.5 mill USD income we will have through the taxes and [plus the revvenues through the businesses in 10 to 15 years we will have around 100 and 200 millon USD capital we will have a comunity that has more job oportunities and will not leave Lebanon and will get stronger in the mean times from this 100 or 200 mill we can send more money to Armenia and unlike charity this will be constant income.
moreover imagine if we can do such a thig all aroung the world in US Russia where we have bigger comunities and its just then we will exploit the full potential of the Diaspora who will be more efficient in helping Armenia to get stronger.
hi londontsi,
among all the outragouse claims and plans where I suggested the fall of an independant state you only grabed the populating of Ajaria? Anyway you are perfectly right about populating Ajaria and even uniting Djavakhk with Armenia and Russia advancing southwards. This is just an idea or somekind of a premative plan not all ideas can me implemented but its through brain storming something can be found and in the end we ae just discussing here.
Suedia,
If your numbers are taken to be acurate we can see that Tukish population in Turkey have grown 7 times whereas Armenian population have grown 4.67 times well if you look at it its not that far off bearing in mind that Armenians had more harship after the Armenian Genocide than Turks it more difficult to increase in numbers in foreign counties than your own. Not to forgeth the "tsulum" factor if someone lives outside of his homeland. Did you know poland had huge Armenian population in the past where are they now? Either they megrated to another country or more important lost their identity. Moreover we shouldn't forget the factor of Soviet Union where again many Armenians were killed were exiled to Siberia its not the same as having an independant country with GREAT geographical location and in the end don't forget about World War 2 where Armenains gave 300,000 (10% of the Armenian population then) victims to the war fighting against Germany whereas Turkey didn't take part in the war.
Now for the sake of the discussion I want to take this one step forward.
In my opinon if we give Armenians a suitable enviroment they will get more in numbers now we can see in advanced countries the population actually is declining because of so many factors i don't want to talk about now this may happen in Armenia too even if we make the socioeconomic situation better in Armenia people now are just giving birth to 2 children in average but I think in case of Armenians if we put some kind of finential help or reward we can imporve the birth rates and if we have enough money as a nation even though bizzare and unthinkable we can manage to populate Ajaria but the first step in all this is the money how to make the whole Nation ritch cherity? I have already said i don't believe in it. we have been trying cahrity till now All Armenian fund this year collected I donno 17 mill or less? if we add all the charity organisations all together how much money are they sending to Armenia? 300 mill max? (I think Im still being genurouse) so if we continue like this we won't get to anyplace or we atchieve a little.
In my opinon WE MUST FIND ANOTHER WAY MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO MAKE MONEY AS A NATION. hOW? i have talked bout this befor i had a few replies by Haykakan who dismissed the idea. I want to repeat it beacause I believe its the only way to get stronger. Bear in mind Im basing my observations and formulas based on Lebanon becasue I live there and I see and know what is happening over here maybe based on your experiances in your countries you can change and imporve the idea.
I donno if you all know, there is something called "azkayin durk" meaning "national Tax" collected by the church or "azkayin Arachnortaran" in the diaspora it is around 30$ a year to all adults. recently I have asked many people and talked to priests where does this money go if there is a booklet printed every year that shows and talks about the spending of the money, the asnwer was no there is no booklet no one could know exactly where this money goes and according to the Lebanese society corruption is a common thing in this case (let me tell little you understand more) by the way NO ONE pays this tax on time or very few pay it on time this tax accumulates till the day you want to get married or baptise your child etc by the church and in this occation you pay all the amount that you have acumulatd through the years.
Frist of all we must make the population willing to pay this tax but to do so the minimume thing required is trancparency show where is the money going to all of the populkation and let them see that the money isn't going in vain.
The other question is how to use this money? in Lebanon if we say ther are 50000 Armenians who pay this taxt every year this means we have 1.5 mill USD income every year in my opinon this is nothing to be proud of but this is a lot to start with my idea is investment. Starting businesses in Lebanon creating jobs for Armenians here starthing with small steps opening companies with this capital and thinking only to make money to make the capital larger do not forget every year 1.5 mill USD income we will have through the taxes and [plus the revvenues through the businesses in 10 to 15 years we will have around 100 and 200 millon USD capital we will have a comunity that has more job oportunities and will not leave Lebanon and will get stronger in the mean times from this 100 or 200 mill we can send more money to Armenia and unlike charity this will be constant income.
moreover imagine if we can do such a thig all aroung the world in US Russia where we have bigger comunities and its just then we will exploit the full potential of the Diaspora who will be more efficient in helping Armenia to get stronger.
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