IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

[Mos]

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"You are misinformed about the people called Azerbaijanis, it is not all that simple. The Azaris in Iran are not like the Azeris in Azerbaijan, nor do they like them. I have spoken to a bunch of Azaris from Iran and they see little to no connection with the republic, the ones in Iran even call them "godless Soviets". Besides a few Grey Wolf elements, the Azaris in Iran do not support any union with Azerbaijan and they are staunchly pro-Iran and being Iranian. Their population is also heavily concentrated in the northern part of Iran, far away from all the important sites of the country."

I agree with that, but then why are the Iranian authorities so afraid of the Azari minority wanting to succeed?

[ninetoyadome]

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Every one needs to understand what Federate wrote - because he is absolutely correct. Persian-Azaris are not Turkic-Azeris (who stole the name "Azerbaijan"). The more everyone understands this, the easier it is to debunk Turkic fraudulent historical inventions.

Your right, Stalin named the region "Azerbaijan" because he thought like this he could claim Northern Iran.
Vasily Bartold, Soviet Turkologist stated:

“The name “Azerbaijan” for the Republic of Azerbaijan (Soviet Azerbaijan) was selected on the assumption that the stationing of such as republic would lead to that entity Iranian to become one…this is the reason why the name “Azerbaijan” was selected (for Arran)…anytime when it is necessary to select a name that refers to the territory of the Republic of Azerbaijan, we should/can select the name Arran…”

And also Shaikh Mohammad Khiyabani wanted to change the name of Northern Iran, the real Azerbaijan, to Azadistan so they would have nothing to do with the newly formed Azerbaijan.

On a side note: I remember Monte Melkonian, the famous Armenian commander, saying that the "Republic of Azerbaijan" (= fake country) was forcing people of Persian & Armenian heritage into their armed forces in large numbers (while the the Turks stayed away from the battle field and took safe duties). Monte inferred that the Turks were doing two things: (1) Ethnically cleansing the Persian/Aryan people; and (2) in essence making Armenians fight themselves. (I.e., more turkification.)

That is what turks are known for, they never fight there own battles. Monte said after they killed the soldiers they would look for identification and noticed that they were all Talysh, Lezgin or Avar, not azeri.

he starts talking about it around the 2:40 mark

[Federate]

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I agree with that, but then why are the Iranian authorities so afraid of the Azari minority wanting to succeed?

They are not really afraid but they are cautious because of Grey Wolf elements infiltrating the region to stir sh!t up.

[Joseph]

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Every one needs to understand what Federate wrote - because he is absolutely correct. Persian-Azaris are not Turkic-Azeris (who stole the name "Azerbaijan"). The more everyone understands this, the easier it is to debunk Turkic fraudulent historical inventions.

On a side note: I remember Monte Melkonian, the famous Armenian commander, saying that the "Republic of Azerbaijan" (= fake country) was forcing people of Persian & Armenian heritage into their armed forces in large numbers (while the the Turks stayed away from the battle field and took safe duties). Monte inferred that the Turks were doing two things: (1) Ethnically cleansing the Persian/Aryan people; and (2) in essence making Armenians fight themselves. (I.e., more turkification.)

This is true. The Azeri authorities sent Lezghin, Talish, and even Kurds into battle while their boys sat in cafes in Baku.

[Eddo211]

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Not sure where you got the 40% figure from, but yes on the borders of Iran there are some mixed people (and in the territories of the Ancient Persian Empires). Just so people aren't confused, Ahmadinejad is not Persian - here is a Persian girl in the video below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o6vD-__Tqc

Payandeh baud ghakeh Iran e ma.....just about all ethnic groups in Iran consider themselves proud Iranians especially Armenians but they keep a strong connections to their roots and Mother Armenia, which is something Persians understand very well and appreciate.
Too bad our numbers in Iran has decreased since the Islamic revolution.


ps: The Talish and the Lezghins need to be liberated from Azeri rule and made our ally, somehow. They must realize that they will be next if we loose.

[Joseph]

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Payandeh baud ghakeh Iran e ma.....just about all ethnic groups in Iran consider themselves proud Iranians especially Armenians but they keep a strong connections to their roots and Mother Armenia, which is something Persians understand very well and appreciate.
Too bad our numbers in Iran has decreased since the Islamic revolution.


ps: The Talish and the Lezghins need to be liberated from Azeri rule and made our ally, somehow. They must realize that they will be next if we loose.

If I recall, in Lenkoran the Talish made an attempt in 1993 or 1994 but the Azeris crushed it. The Talish were not well-led, were vastly outnumbered, and not well-armed. There is also the "Sadval" movement for Lezgins.

[Mos]

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TEHRAN (AFP) – Iran declared itself a nuclear nation on Thursday as it marked the Islamic revolution's 31st anniversary and launched what Washington called an "unprecedented" crackdown on opposition supporters. .... http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100211...ionanniversary

What does this mean for Armenia and Armenians?

Well it creates a counter balance to Israel, like how nuclear weapons have created a balance between Pakistan and India, and before between Soviet Union and USA.

[Persopolis]

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"You are misinformed about the people called Azerbaijanis, it is not all that simple. The Azaris in Iran are not like the Azeris in Azerbaijan, nor do they like them. I have spoken to a bunch of Azaris from Iran and they see little to no connection with the republic, the ones in Iran even call them "godless Soviets". Besides a few Grey Wolf elements, the Azaris in Iran do not support any union with Azerbaijan and they are staunchly pro-Iran and being Iranian. Their population is also heavily concentrated in the northern part of Iran, far away from all the important sites of the country."

I agree with that, but then why are the Iranian authorities so afraid of the Azari minority wanting to succeed?

ANSWER: The Grey Wolf "Turkic-Azeris" send agents into the Persian-Azari population and try to sell them a false bill of goods that they are Turks (a concept sometimes called 'Pan Turkism.')

* Persian-Azaris = on Armenia's side & vastly greater in numbers (millions).
* Pan-Turkic Azeris = Bad guys (like Aliyev/Grey Wolves) & are a small handful of trouble-makers.

It's important to note that the name Azerbaijan is a stolen word - it's originally Persian not Turkic; "The Republic of Azerbaijan" needed a pretense to make a country, and they *borrowed* (without asking) that word. The so-called minority population the government of Iran impedes are spies, provocateurs ("inciting agents"), or brainwashed kids being used to put pressure on Iran. (Here's how it works: A spy agency sends in a bunch of cash, gets a handful of people to push for *minority rights* and tries to build a critical mass of followers under the sole pretense of causing ethnic strife to put pressure on the leadership of the country (under an implied threat of separatism) - the government of Iran then rounds them up (and the rest isn't pleasant!).

What are the implications for Armenians? Well can you imagine what would happen if the Pan-Turkists brainwashed a million or two Persians living on the border with Armenia into thinking they are ethnic Turks who should join Aliyev? If I was Armenian, I would volunteer to give the handful of separatists in Iran a beat-down. We know that Stalin and Grey Wolves employed this tactic - after the USSR folded, a number of Russian secret documents were de-classified from Stalin's era, and admitted the tactic.

"The Republic of Azerbaijan" is a Pan-Turkic entity - in contrast, the province of Azerbaijan in Iran is mostly Persian, but because of a recent historical phenomenon (one of Iran's most hated Shahs made good friends with the Turks and decided to conduct government business in Turkish) people in Northern Iran had their language changed to a Turkic dialect due to commerce etc. with the Turks. However, their original language for several thousand years was 'Pahlavi' (Middle Persian). Thus, the Grey Wolves et al. think that because of the recent language change in the North of Iran, they can sell Persian-Azaris the idea that they are ethnic Turks. The government of Iran has told people to stop speaking that B.S. language, and revert back to their Persian mother-tongue.

I noticed that there was a guy on this site named "Azar" - he was a Persian-Azari (= friendly to Armenia).

Another way of thinking about this issue: Imagine that Armenia starts doing business with China, and the leadership of Armenia foolishly decides to switch the Armenian state language to Chinese to foster commerce with China. After a while, some Armenians start speaking a dialect of Chinese. Then imagine that the Chinese start calling themselves *Armenians* and sending paid agents to Armenia to convince gullible Armenian kids that the Chinese are also Armenians and that they should separate a portion of Armenia and fuse it with Hong Kong. In essence, this is what the "Republic of Azerbaijan" is -- a pure contrivance based on stolen terminology. What allowed this to happen? Baku fell under Russia's (and later Stalin's) control for about 150 years, and Stalin felt that he needed a buffer zone because the Persian Empire was a threat to him - so he actively encouraged Pan-Turkism to give Russia a territorial buffer zone. There are a lot of great books written about this; and if you speak Persian, some of it is actually pretty funny because Stalin misapplied a lot of words and concepts. For example, ask an Azer-Turk to explain why they live in a country named after the Persian General of the Persian King Darius whose name was Azer-ba-gan ("protected by fire") - they have no answer. What's funny is that the Azerbaboons now admit that they stole the word -- From the Azerbaboon Official Government Site: "4th-3rd century BC – Darius III’s (Persian King of Kings) General Atropat is made King of Media Minor. Thus, the land is named after him as 'Atoorpatkan'." (http://www.azembassy.org.uk/sehife.p...=eng&page=0105.)

Of course everyone knows that Darius the Great was a Persian King (e.g., most of the ancient ruins like Persopolis are in Iran near the town of Shiraz where a lot of Persian-Armenians are also from).

QUESTION TO ASK AZERI-TURKS: Why is your 'Turkic' country named after a Persian General who served a Persian King? (Incidentally, the Kingdom of Armenia existed at that time and was a recognized subdivision of the Persian empire - an ally.)

[Eddo211]

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^^^ Excellent post delavar.

[Persopolis]

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Payandeh baud ghakeh Iran e ma.....just about all ethnic groups in Iran consider themselves proud Iranians especially Armenians but they keep a strong connections to their roots and Mother Armenia, which is something Persians understand very well and appreciate.
Too bad our numbers in Iran has decreased since the Islamic revolution.


ps: The Talish and the Lezghins need to be liberated from Azeri rule and made our ally, somehow. They must realize that they will be next if we loose.

I couldn't agree with you more - The Talysh are Iranian and the Pan-Turkists are trying to assimilate the Talysh and the Armenians living in Azerbaboon. Can you imagine what a sick thrill the Pan-Turkists get from sending the Armenians and Iranians to fight for them under duress? What the Pan-Turkish Azerbaboons are in-fact doing is ethnically cleansing their local Armenian and Iranian populations. http://talysh-iranhistory.blogspot.com/

I BELIEVE THE NUMBERS ARE GROSSLY UNDERSTATED BY THE PAN-TURKISTS BECAUSE THEY ARE SEEKING TIME TO BRAINWASH MINORITIES INTO THINKING THEY ARE TURKS:

"In 1989 another 262,000 people belonging to ninety other nationalities lived in Azerbaijan. These groups include Avars, Kurds, Talysh, and Tats. The Talysh in Azerbaijan, estimates of whose numbers varied from the official 1989 census figure of 21,000 to their own estimates of 200,000 to 300,000, are an Iranian people living in southeastern Azerbaijan and contiguous areas of Iran. Like the Lezgins, the Talysh have called for greater rights since Azerbaijan became independent.

In 1992 Elchibey attempted to reassure ethnic minorities by issuing an order that the government defend the political, economic, social, and cultural rights and freedoms of nonAzerbaijanis , and by setting up the Consultative Council on Interethnic Relations as part of the presidential apparatus. At no point were Armenians mentioned, however, among the protected ethnic minorities. http://countrystudies.us/azerbaijan/18.htm