IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

[KanadaHye]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

You need to know the truth to speak it. NK has been fending off the Americans so it could survive it doesnt mean it is stuck back in time especialy since it has been pretty successfull. Cuba - despite the embargo - can afford to have a effective national haelth care system which takes care of everyone but we still cant get it. Makes you wonder exactly who is stuck back in time sometimes.

That all depends on what you value in life

Not to go off topic (Allah forbid) but... on the topic of nukes
North Korea threatens to attack if US and South Korea hold joint military drills next month
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/100225/w022541A.html

This news is getting old... really.

[Armanen]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

NK is a vile place and other than the small step in nuclear technology, they're military is rather out dated as are all other sectors of their economy, and the people live under worse conditions than when the Japanese were there in the early 20th century, which was horrid in and of itself.

Cuba is a leader in Latin America in terms of culture, athletics, and of course, healthcare. For the u.s. it is more a point of pride and votes from the influential cuban community of south florida, than real disagreements. Unlike in 1959 when Castro came to power, there is no red scare now, communism is dead so the average American can't be fooled as easily as in the 60s.

[KanadaHye]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

NK is a vile place and other than the small step in nuclear technology, they're military is rather out dated as are all other sectors of their economy, and the people live under worse conditions than when the Japanese were there in the early 20th century, which was horrid in and of itself.

I really don't think it's what what the media makes it out to be, in fact the people in the South want to be reunited with the people in the North. North Korea only seeks nuclear weapons to use as a bargaining tool and if it plays its cards right, it may get what it wants. The real problem Koreans see is that the regime in the South is taking a hardline stance with the regime in the North which is getting in the way of reconciliation. The problem that may remain is that the South is learning English while the North remains more culturally Korean.

[Armanen]

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I really don't think it's what what the media makes it out to be, in fact the people in the South want to be reunited with the people in the North. North Korea only seeks nuclear weapons to use as a bargaining tool and if it plays its cards right, it may get what it wants. The real problem Koreans see is that the regime in the South is taking a hardline stance with the regime in the North which is getting in the way of reconciliation. The problem that may remain is that the South is learning English while the North remains more culturally Korean.

From my previous posts one can easily see that I am no fan of corporate media, but this is one time where I think their reporting on human rights is spot on. You know things are bad in n. korea when even the Chinese are hesitant to praise kim jong ill not to mention the north korean society at large. In a recent report , south koreans now are less eager about reunification. Just think how much it would cost, not taking into consideration the cultural aspects you brought up as well.

I suggest you read this article.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/02/22/north_koreas_race_problem

And I disagree that the south is the one which isn't sincere about unification, I think it's the north simply because a united korea wouldn't be totalitarian, hence kim and his possy have no incentive to give up their power.

[KanadaHye]

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From my previous posts one can easily see that I am no fan of corporate media, but this is one time where I think their reporting on human rights is spot on. You know things are bad in n. korea when even the Chinese are hesitant to praise kim jong ill not to mention the north korean society at large. In a recent report , south koreans now are less eager about reunification. Just think how much it would cost, not taking into consideration the cultural aspects you brought up as well.

I suggest you read this article.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/02/22/north_koreas_race_problem

And I disagree that the south is the one which isn't sincere about unification, I think it's the north simply because a united korea wouldn't be totalitarian, hence kim and his possy have no incentive to give up their power.

A stroll through a couple Korean forums will tell you why the American government is so afraid. The death, destruction, followed by decades of rape and misconduct by American soldiers has left a bitter outlook from Koreans on the whole ordeal. The South is also quite liberal compared to the conservative North with respect to crimes, family life, etc. This is pretty much what the American military likes to do... divide and conquer then create a liberal society that's dumb and oblivious to everything around them so that intelligence is guaranteed to be relinquished. In regards to race and North Korea's "race" problem, at least their country is run by Koreans and not Americans. Isn't it about time to leave security at the hands of South Koreans? 50+ years and the Americans are still there and have no plans of leaving. This is why nobody believes they ever intend to leave Iraq or Afghanistan or anywhere else they settle (except the American people because that's what the government says ).

Now tell me why Iran is so keen on getting nuclear weapons, countries are tired of this crap and aren't going to stand for it any longer. In my opinion, a nuclear Iran would mean security for Armenia as long as Israel doesn't instigate anything in fear of losing its power. People are also no longer buying the Israeli propaganda so things are going to get rather interesting.

[hipeter924]

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A stroll through a couple Korean forums will tell you why the American government is so afraid. The death, destruction, followed by decades of rape and misconduct by American soldiers has left a bitter outlook from Koreans on the whole ordeal. The South is also quite liberal compared to the conservative North with respect to crimes, family life, etc. This is pretty much what the American military likes to do... divide and conquer then create a liberal society that's dumb and oblivious to everything around them so that intelligence is guaranteed to be relinquished. In regards to race and North Korea's "race" problem, at least their country is run by Koreans and not Americans. Isn't it about time to leave security at the hands of South Koreans? 50+ years and the Americans are still there and have no plans of leaving. This is why nobody believes they ever intend to leave Iraq or Afghanistan or anywhere else they settle (except the American people because that's what the government says ).

Now tell me why Iran is so keen on getting nuclear weapons, countries are tired of this crap and aren't going to stand for it any longer. In my opinion, a nuclear Iran would mean security for Armenia as long as Israel doesn't instigate anything in fear of losing its power. People are also no longer buying the Israeli propaganda so things are going to get rather interesting.

If America or the West leaves the Middle East then China or Russia will just come in it's place, Oil and resources are what matter there. In other words suicide bombers can blow up things, and Arab's can complain and protest all they like, but they will never have a time they aren't dominated or controlled by the East or West. There are just too many that want their piece of the Middle East, and several billions vs a few 100 million is no contest; and if the Arab's tried to resist this then I wouldn't want to be the idiot fighting 100's of thousands of tanks, artillery, aircraft and nuclear weapons. It's sad or harsh, but just life. This is the real world of corporations and money, not human rights or 'honour' and 'dignity' stuff.

As for South Korea, it was made to be an economic powerhouse much like Japan, Singapore, Taiwan; none of these states were built to be strong sources of independence or democracy. In all of these states democracy was developed either by some kind of revolt, revolution and in the case of Singapore democracy was never really developed that much at all. Every one of these states did not want to be militarily strong or confrontational for good reasons, the first being that it would upset China; look at what happened recently when the USA signed an Arms deal with Taiwan for example. The second of course being that right now the deal is quite good, they can focus on economics while the USA deals with China and the rest. The last being that they are so used to the status quo they don't want to change and are happy with how things have gone.

[Haykakan]

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If America or the West leaves the Middle East then China or Russia will just come in it's place, Oil and resources are what matter there. In other words suicide bombers can blow up things, and Arab's can complain and protest all they like, but they will never have a time they aren't dominated or controlled by the East or West. There are just too many that want their piece of the Middle East, and several billions vs a few 100 million is no contest; and if the Arab's tried to resist this then I wouldn't want to be the idiot fighting 100's of thousands of tanks, artillery, aircraft and nuclear weapons. It's sad or harsh, but just life. This is the real world of corporations and money, not human rights or 'honour' and 'dignity' stuff.

As for South Korea, it was made to be an economic powerhouse much like Japan, Singapore, Taiwan; none of these states were built to be strong sources of independence or democracy. In all of these states democracy was developed either by some kind of revolt, revolution and in the case of Singapore democracy was never really developed that much at all. Every one of these states did not want to be militarily strong or confrontational for good reasons, the first being that it would upset China; look at what happened recently when the USA signed an Arms deal with Taiwan for example. The second of course being that right now the deal is quite good, they can focus on economics while the USA deals with China and the rest. The last being that they are so used to the status quo they don't want to change and are happy with how things have gone.

I think you miss a important point here. USA did not attack Iraq because it didnt want to sell its oil. All the Arab states are happy to sell their oil to the highest bidder just as anyone else would be but the Arab countries are attacked and villified because Isreal does not want them to develop and become strong nations which could compete with it. As usual Isreal gets what it wants by not putting its own young mens lives at risk but rather the lives of Americans.

[Armanen]

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A stroll through a couple Korean forums will tell you why the American government is so afraid. The death, destruction, followed by decades of rape and misconduct by American soldiers has left a bitter outlook from Koreans on the whole ordeal. The South is also quite liberal compared to the conservative North with respect to crimes, family life, etc. This is pretty much what the American military likes to do... divide and conquer then create a liberal society that's dumb and oblivious to everything around them so that intelligence is guaranteed to be relinquished. In regards to race and North Korea's "race" problem, at least their country is run by Koreans and not Americans. Isn't it about time to leave security at the hands of South Koreans? 50+ years and the Americans are still there and have no plans of leaving. This is why nobody believes they ever intend to leave Iraq or Afghanistan or anywhere else they settle (except the American people because that's what the government says ).

Now tell me why Iran is so keen on getting nuclear weapons, countries are tired of this crap and aren't going to stand for it any longer. In my opinion, a nuclear Iran would mean security for Armenia as long as Israel doesn't instigate anything in fear of losing its power. People are also no longer buying the Israeli propaganda so things are going to get rather interesting.

A majority of S. Koreans still prefer to have American troops there. We can debate if the S. Koreans could get America to leave or not, but I think there is no comparison between the two Koreas. One is a horrible hell hole, while the other is a leading country in many fields. And saying, at least N. Korea is run by Koreans doesn't make things different. The life of an average Korean in the north is similar to what one can read in any novel about a dystopian society.

If you wanted to make a case for U.S. imperialism, based on american bases, the ones in Germany are a better case. Unlike in Korea, where the two sides are still at war, the Cold War ended more than 20 years ago, Germany is united again, but yet there are still American troops stationed there.

[Persopolis]

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I personally don't know much about Iran, about their conflict with Israel, let alone their internal problems, but I try to have an open mind and not follow the media like a sheep. My main concern is how this affects Armenia and Barsgahays.

Persians and Armenians are brothers, literally, from thousands of years of intermarriage and Aryan ethnic heritage. Persians always support Armenians -- governments come and go, but the bond of the people is not like regular foreign relations. While other countries seek to cover-up the Armenian genocide -- Persians put up memorials to honor the deceased Armenians:

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/pop...l?MemImage=248

[Federate]

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Persians and Armenians are brothers, literally, from thousands of years of intermarriage and Aryan ethnic heritage. Persians always support Armenians -- governments come and go, but the bond of the people is not like regular foreign relations. While other countries seek to cover-up the Armenian genocide -- Persians put up memorials to honor the deceased Armenians:

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/pop...l?MemImage=248

What does it say on the memorial in Farsi?