IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

[SevSpitak]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

Russia, China, France, etc aren't going to start lobbing nukes over religion anytime soon. That's what I mean by 'bad'.

How can you be so sure about that? So far the only nation to have used it is United States. Just because Muslim nations say they'll use it if they are threatened and others don't open their mouths, doesn't mean they really won't do it when the time comes. Be cautious about the silent ones, not the ones with the big mouth.

[ArmSurvival]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

Isn't ANYBODY worried a nuclear weapon might be smuggled by one of the millions of azeris living in Iran into Azerbaijan and then used on Armenia? I'm sure Iran's military contains a high number of people who support Azerbaijan, and would love to pass one over to Alyiev.

Iran's supreme leader is an Azeri, and they haven't had any problems with Armenia so far. At the same time, Iran has major problems with Azerbaijan. For one, they've had a long-running dispute over oilfields in the Caspian. Second, Azerbaijan along with the west is trying to spread Pan-Turkic propaganda to Iran's Azeris in order to take the region from Iran. Azerbaijan is probably the LAST country Iran would help out, much less give them a nuke. On the flipside, Armenia is the only country on Iran's border besides Turkmenistan that doesn't host a U.S. military base. Iran feels isolated, and Armenia is their only neighbor that doesn't give them any complications. They have many energy and transport projects with each other, and both countries are also on good terms with Russia.

And remember that during the Artsakh liberation war, Iran never helped out Azerbaijan. Its because Azerbaijan is nationalist while Iran is a theocracy, and they have competing interests.

Plus... a country that has nukes isn't going to pass them out left and right to other countries. If you were in charge of a nuclear country why would you help your neighbors gain your nuclear technology? Thats unrealistic.

No matter how you look at it, it just creates way too many problems for everybody if Iran gets nukes

It mainly creates problems for Israel, because they will cease to be the only nuclear power in the Middle East. It creates problems to a lesser extent for some Sunni Arabs who don't want to see Iran throw its weight around. Why should we as Armenians care about what Israelis and Sunni Arabs think about Iran?

This is assuming they're going to develop a nuke. They are still at least a decade away from doing so. And even when they develop them, they still need to have adequate nuclear bombers which can deliver the nukes on a target.

[Eddo211]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

...... they still need to have adequate nuclear bombers which can deliver the nukes on a target.

If they really had to do it then they could strap one of them bad boys and a drop tank on several fighter jets...............at least one would reach Israel on a one way mission, with would be enough fuel to make it.

On topic. Armenia should contiue to maintain good balance in relations with Iran. It is in our strategic interests.

[Muhaha]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

Iran's supreme leader is an Azeri, and they haven't had any problems with Armenia so far. At the same time, Iran has major problems with Azerbaijan. For one, they've had a long-running dispute over oilfields in the Caspian. Second, Azerbaijan along with the west is trying to spread Pan-Turkic propaganda to Iran's Azeris in order to take the region from Iran. Azerbaijan is probably the LAST country Iran would help out, much less give them a nuke. On the flipside, Armenia is the only country on Iran's border besides Turkmenistan that doesn't host a U.S. military base. Iran feels isolated, and Armenia is their only neighbor that doesn't give them any complications. They have many energy and transport projects with each other, and both countries are also on good terms with Russia.

And remember that during the Artsakh liberation war, Iran never helped out Azerbaijan. Its because Azerbaijan is nationalist while Iran is a theocracy, and they have competing interests.


Plus... a country that has nukes isn't going to pass them out left and right to other countries. If you were in charge of a nuclear country why would you help your neighbors gain your nuclear technology? Thats unrealistic.

I'm not talking about the Iranian government. I'm talking about individuals inside Iran who support Azerbaijan. A very large portion of Iran's population is Azeri, which means they have the connections required to smuggle things in and out and they have the connections required to have access to the nations most secret areas, like any future nuclear weapons stockpile.

It mainly creates problems for Israel, because they will cease to be the only nuclear power in the Middle East. It creates problems to a lesser extent for some Sunni Arabs who don't want to see Iran throw its weight around. Why should we as Armenians care about what Israelis and Sunni Arabs think about Iran?

Well first of all, Israel isn't the only nuclear power in the Middle East, Pakistan also has the weapons. And second, I guess we just have to agree to disagree on this issue. I think it creates problems for a lot more people than just Sunni Arabs and Israelis.

[ArmSurvival]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

I'm not talking about the Iranian government. I'm talking about individuals inside Iran who support Azerbaijan.

Like who? Tehran is frequently butting heads with Baku, and Baku's Pan-Turkic agenda threatens Iran's sovereignty. They are far from being allies, and even if they were, nobody hands out nukes even to their allies. For example if Turkey was nuclear, do you think they would give a single nuke to Azerbaijan? Of course not!

A very large portion of Iran's population is Azeri, which means they have the connections required to smuggle things in and out and they have the connections required to have access to the nations most secret areas, like any future nuclear weapons stockpile.

The nukes would be under tight government control. And like I said they're not going to be passing them out left and right because someone can easily turn around and use it against them. I can't think of a bigger liability than a loose nuke which can be traced back to your country's facilities. They won't hand out sensitive technology like that to someone just because they're Azeri and they have "connections". Thats like saying Israel will give some loose nukes to J ews in another country... it just doesn't work like that. Governments don't even trust many of their own supporters to be in charge of the nuclear silos, let alone rogue elements from a competing nation. The Islamic regime is as paranoid as they come, you can bet they will take every single precaution when it comes to guarding their nukes. I wouldn't be surprised if the Revolutionary Guard was solely in charge of the nukes, instead of the regular army.

[Muhaha]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

Like who? Tehran is frequently butting heads with Baku, and Baku's Pan-Turkic agenda threatens Iran's sovereignty. They are far from being allies, and even if they were, nobody hands out nukes even to their allies. For example if Turkey was nuclear, do you think they would give a single nuke to Azerbaijan? Of course not!

The nukes would be under tight government control. And like I said they're not going to be passing them out left and right because someone can easily turn around and use it against them. I can't think of a bigger liability than a loose nuke which can be traced back to your country's facilities. They won't hand out sensitive technology like that to someone just because they're Azeri and they have "connections". Thats like saying Israel will give some loose nukes to J ews in another country... it just doesn't work like that. Governments don't even trust many of their own supporters to be in charge of the nuclear silos, let alone rogue elements from a competing nation. The Islamic regime is as paranoid as they come, you can bet they will take every single precaution when it comes to guarding their nukes. I wouldn't be surprised if the Revolutionary Guard was solely in charge of the nukes, instead of the regular army.

You're not reading what I'm saying, this isn't about the Iranian government or any officials inside Iran. The Iranian government isn't indefinite and could crumble at any time, who's going to stop loose nukes at that point? SOMEBODY is going to get their hands on them and with 1/3 of Iran's population being Azeri, there's a good chance they will.

Just like we have to worry about Pakistan completely crumbling at any point and their nukes getting in the hands of the Taliban, we're also now going to have to worry about Iran. There's no such thing as a nation that's perpetually organized, especially in a region like the Middle East these days.

[Federate]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

You're not reading what I'm saying, this isn't about the Iranian government or any officials inside Iran. The Iranian government isn't indefinite and could crumble at any time, who's going to stop loose nukes at that point? SOMEBODY is going to get their hands on them and with 1/3 of Iran's population being Azeri, there's a good chance they will.

You are misinformed about the people called Azerbaijanis, it is not all that simple. The Azaris in Iran are not like the Azeris in Azerbaijan, nor do they like them. I have spoken to a bunch of Azaris from Iran and they see little to no connection with the republic, the ones in Iran even call them "godless Soviets". Besides a few Grey Wolf elements, the Azaris in Iran do not support any union with Azerbaijan and they are staunchly pro-Iran and being Iranian. Their population is also heavily concentrated in the northern part of Iran, far away from all the important sites of the country.

Just like we have to worry about Pakistan completely crumbling at any point and their nukes getting in the hands of the Taliban, we're also now going to have to worry about Iran. There's no such thing as a nation that's perpetually organized, especially in a region like the Middle East these days.

You have nothing to worry about. The threat of nukes falling into the hands of other people besides the Iranian government is minimal at best. It is not like you hide these things in a closet nor do you just put it in a mortar and fire it away. Nobody simply walks in and takes whatever they want, this is not a bazaar. When ruling governments crumble, the opposition takes over and I do not think the Iranian opposition is interested in selling nukes to...??? If you're talking about the nation going to anarchy well, the odds of that happening followed by the odds of the weapon being sold while the nation is in this state is little, you do not think so? You claim the Middle East is unstable yet the Middle East has been one of the most stable in terms of ruling governments ever due to dictatorships, monarchies etc.

The most a nation can do to give away such unlimited power (nations sharing or giving up power? ) is selling the technology abroad similar to what AQ Khan of Pakistan did but to outright give away nukes is laughable. Iran is even less of a worry than other countries given how so-called "al-Qaeda" and it mutually hate each other.

And this is all to assume that the Iranians are actually even pursuing the A-bomb. And all this to assume that Iran somehow has no right to a nuclear weapon when it is threatened on a constant basis by at least two nuclear powers. It is like when people ask North Korea to stop building nukes. While it is the right thing to do, how can it be taken seriously when all three of its neighbours are armed with nukes and at least one pointing at it?

[Eddo211]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

...........they are staunchly pro-Iran and being Iranian..........

That is true in just about all Iranians, regardless of ethnic background. There is also a saying “ we are Irani first, Muslims second”.
The Mullahs are not IRAN!
For example all them students protesting against the government looking toward the West for help will enlist the moment the country is attacked by the same West, including Armenians.

[Mukuch]

Re: Iran will pay the price and will loose the war against the West - EU,US, NATO

This Armenian Iranian friendship must cease immediately. Iran should not be allowed to participate in my Countries Winter Olympic Games for 2010.

Iran will and must be stopped through the use of more rounds of EU,US, UN Sanctions, the Sanctions will have to be stricter and to be able to deliver a hard blow to Irans infrastructure and already very weak economy.

The other result which is the last resort is that NATO including the US EU (if they choose to take advantage of their hard core power status) must launch military air strikes to cripple Iran in every way possible. Iran will not win this war against the West - EU,US, NATO. Iran will be punished and they will learn the hard way if Iran does not cease immediately.

BBC and Voice of America have condemned Iran's illegal jamming of BBC and VOA and some other Western TV Stations Satellite's.

Mr Ahmadinjad will soon pay the price of a country that will be utterly destroyed.

Armenia must distance itself from Iran. Armenia is not benefiting from befriending Iran and its grave danger to world peace.

Armenia must seriously consider integrating with itself further into the West e.g. EU, NATO structures.

Armenia will continue living in extreme poverty and Armenians will continue to leave Armenia if their are no opportunities delivered to the Armenian people. Armenia doing business with Iran will certainly not help Armenia develop its emerging Democracy and establishing the very basic foundations in Armenia's case a market economy that meets European Standards.

Armenia has nothing to gain in doing business and firming closer ties with one of the world's leading state sponsors of terror and that is Iran.

Who the xxxx you are to tell armenians what to do?

[Siggie]

Re: Iran will pay the price and will loose the war against the West - EU,US, NATO

Who the xxxx you are to tell armenians what to do?

Now, now... He can express his opinion, wrong and misinformed though it may be.