IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

[SevSpitak]

Re: IRAN declared itself a nuclear nation

I could care less about Iran or the muslim want to be Armenians there. Maybe if Iran is not theocracy than less of those stupid hooligans will come to armenia. Since Iranians in armenia are the most unruly, ungrateful, and corrupt people I've ever seen.

Why are you promoting hate? Iran hasn't done anything negative to Armenia. On the contrary, Iran has helped Armenians survive like a true brother (so to speak).

[Muhaha]

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I don't believe Israel is in any kind of danger from Iran, I don't believe the U.S is in any kind of danger, I also don't even believe Iran is aggressively pursuing Nuclear Weapons.

However, the fact is Iran is an Islamic Nation and it's woefully childish to take a risk on this issue. They shouldn't be allowed the chance and the infrastructure required to make a bomb so their facilities need to be bombed ASAP imo.

Whether you're in the Western or Eastern world, whether you agree with U.S policy or not. European, Asian, whatever. I think we can all agree taking another chance on an Islamic Nation is a horrible mistake. The entire world missed the ball when it comes to Pakistan, let's not let it happen again.

[Siggie]

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I don't believe Israel is in any kind of danger from Iran, I don't believe the U.S is in any kind of danger, I also don't even believe Iran is aggressively pursuing Nuclear Weapons.

However, the fact is Iran is an Islamic Nation and it's woefully childish to take a risk on this issue. They shouldn't be allowed the chance and the infrastructure required to make a bomb so their facilities need to be bombed ASAP imo.

Whether you're in the Western or Eastern world, whether you agree with U.S policy or not. European, Asian, whatever. I think we can all agree taking another chance on an Islamic Nation is a horrible mistake. The entire world missed the ball when it comes to Pakistan, let's not let it happen again.

Is Islam really the critical thing here? *looks over at North Korea*

Look how many countries have nuclear weapons... Why shouldn't Iran?
We don't even know that they're actually using their nuclear program to develop weapons. It's far more likely that this is for nuclear power instead. If they're talking about being a nuclear nation, it's only to send the message not to mess with them. Can we really fault them for not wanting to be bullied by countries that do have nuclear weapons?
I think these weapons exist merely as a threat and have caught on in an effort to get on equal footing with other countries. I would hope that no one would be foolish enough to actually use them as that would devastate such a huge portion of the world's population. It's not like you can bomb one country and only affect the population of that country. Even if you could, it would wipe out the entire population of that country... Besides, then a country like that would be seen as an unpredictable and immoral threat to all which needs to be neutralized... fast forward just a bit and it would basically mean the end of life (save for many bacteria?) on Earth.

[Muhaha]

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Is Islam really the critical thing here? *looks over at North Korea*

North Korea is also obviously an International nuisance but I feel Islamic nations and Muslims are the most passionately irrational people on Earth and are thus the most likely to use these weapons and cause havoc. That's why I'm focusing on them right now and have developed a zero tolerance of sorts when it comes to them.

Look how many countries have nuclear weapons... Why shouldn't Iran?

I'm really not just focusing on Iran. I'm against nuclear proliferation no matter who's getting them and am especially against nuclear weapons in the Middle East. I've always thought Pakistan and Israel should be forced to give up their weapons also. That entire region is volatile and for no good reason. I feel the entire world could blow in any second because somebody's prophet was offended.

We don't even know that they're actually using their nuclear program to develop weapons. It's far more likely that this is for nuclear power instead. If they're talking about being a nuclear nation, it's only to send the message not to mess with them. Can we really fault them for not wanting to be bullied by countries that do have nuclear weapons?

I don't think they're trying to get the weapons either, I think it's all for energy and to let people know that they're capable of being more than just a sitting duck.

HOWEVER, I'd hate to wake up one morning and find out I was wrong, that's why I'm saying I'd rather be hawkish on this issue and not take a chance and risk such a major problem.

I think these weapons exist merely as a threat and have caught on in an effort to get on equal footing with other countries. I would hope that no one would be foolish enough to actually use them as that would devastate such a huge portion of the world's population. It's not like you can bomb one country and only affect the population of that country. Even if you could, it would wipe out the entire population of that country... Besides, then a country like that would be seen as an unpredictable and immoral threat to all which needs to be neutralized... fast forward just a bit and it would basically mean the end of life (save for many bacteria?) on Earth.

That's what I'm worried about. I feel like they WON'T be rational and they will actually use them. They'll either hand them off to a third party like any one of many Islamic Brotherhood type organizations like Hamas, Hezbollah or they will use it themselves.

[KarotheGreat]

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I don't believe Israel is in any kind of danger from Iran, I don't believe the U.S is in any kind of danger, I also don't even believe Iran is aggressively pursuing Nuclear Weapons.

However, the fact is Iran is an Islamic Nation and it's woefully childish to take a risk on this issue. They shouldn't be allowed the chance and the infrastructure required to make a bomb so their facilities need to be bombed ASAP imo.

Whether you're in the Western or Eastern world, whether you agree with U.S policy or not. European, Asian, whatever. I think we can all agree taking another chance on an Islamic Nation is a horrible mistake. The entire world missed the ball when it comes to Pakistan, let's not let it happen again.

What has Iran being a Muslim country have to do with anything? Do you truly believe that them being muslim will make them commit suicide? Because now you are making them look like they irrational and stupid.
When looking at their history you can see that all they do is for their survival. And I for one don't care if they get the A-bomb or they don't, but I'm sure that they will never use it. Because the moment they use it it will be the moment that they will be wiped of the map by every power on this planet.

[ashot24]

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North Korea is also obviously an International nuisance but I feel Islamic nations and Muslims are the most passionately irrational people on Earth and are thus the most likely to use these weapons and cause havoc. That's why I'm focusing on them right now and have developed a zero tolerance of sorts when it comes to them.

You're fool then if you believe so. The fact there are people who have done horrible things doesn't mean that every single person sharing the same background will do the same. Don't generalize, be fair.

I'm really not just focusing on Iran. I'm against nuclear proliferation no matter who's getting them and am especially against nuclear weapons in the Middle East. I've always thought Pakistan and Israel should be forced to give up their weapons also. That entire region is volatile and for no good reason. I feel the entire world could blow in any second because somebody's prophet was offended.

I'm against nuclear proliferation too, WHEN it comes to weapon-making. Our world is not volatile, nor we live under the constant thread of "terrorism", or because of your assumption that somebody's prophet was offended and they shall take revenge against the "infidels"
This whole thing has to do with the interests of those ones who will benefit if people is killed and our world is partially destroyed, again...
If making war, killing some millions, blaming on anyone, etc. is in the interests of some group of people who have the power to do so and can afford it (and those people are everywhere in the world) then we'll be facing destruction and world wars and death. War=Interests.

I don't think they're trying to get the weapons either, I think it's all for energy and to let people know that they're capable of being more than just a sitting duck.

HOWEVER, I'd hate to wake up one morning and find out I was wrong, that's why I'm saying I'd rather be hawkish on this issue and not take a chance and risk such a major problem.

That's what I'm worried about. I feel like they WON'T be rational and they will actually use them. They'll either hand them off to a third party like any one of many Islamic Brotherhood type organizations like Hamas, Hezbollah or they will use it themselves.

Iran having nuclear weapons is no danger to anyone, they are not used to create weapons as some say, they are used as new ways to produce energy.
"Iran has weapons of mass destruction"....is what the Western world and Israel have been trying to make people believe, as a new part of their Islamophobic propaganda, and sadly they got it down the mind of a lot of people. The fact is, THEY want once again to make people believe yet ANOTHER Islamic country has weapons of mass destruction (remember Iraq?), to then be able to invade such country and take control of it. Some years later, the world will know "Oh, they didn't have such weapons". Then they will leave their troops down there claiming to be working to "maintain peace", taking advantage of the benefits of the country, oppressing their people, creating more problems that they already had, to hopefully one day leave it destroyed and unstable.

I also remind you, who were the first ones who actually created nuclear weapons with not only the intention to use them, but were irrational enough to actually use them? Was it an Islamic country? Ask yourselves people, some of you seem to forget...

[Muhaha]

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What has Iran being a Muslim country have to do with anything? Do you truly believe that them being muslim will make them commit suicide? Because now you are making them look like they irrational and stupid.
When looking at their history you can see that all they do is for their survival. And I for one don't care if they get the A-bomb or they don't, but I'm sure that they will never use it. Because the moment they use it it will be the moment that they will be wiped of the map by every power on this planet.

How are you so sure they will never use it? How do you know they won't have an irrational leader in 5 years or 10 years or tomorrow?

And also, Iran's history is FAR from just being defensive. If I remember correctly, I think Armenians have had to fight them off on a couple of occasions....

[Muhaha]

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You're fool then if you believe so. The fact there are people who have done horrible things doesn't mean that every single person sharing the same background will do the same. Don't generalize, be fair.

I didn't say every single person in the Middle East is bad. But all the ones that are in power are bad and that's all that matters.

I'm against nuclear proliferation too, WHEN it comes to weapon-making.

I already said I don't think Iran is trying to get the bomb. However, I also said we shouldn't take the chance. How can you be so sure Iran is only going for energy?

Our world is not volatile, nor we live under the constant thread of "terrorism", or because of your assumption that somebody's prophet was offended and they shall take revenge against the "infidels"

The world is an extremely volatile place and the Middle East is especially volatile. How anyone can say otherwise is beyond me.

Also, it isn't my "Assumption" that people have gone to wars over Religion and fairy tale stories. That's simply the facts of the region and the world.

This whole thing has to do with the interests of those ones who will benefit if people is killed and our world is partially destroyed, again...
If making war, killing some millions, blaming on anyone, etc. is in the interests of some group of people who have the power to do so and can afford it (and those people are everywhere in the world) then we'll be facing destruction and world wars and death. War=Interests.

Iran having nuclear weapons is no danger to anyone, they are not used to create weapons as some say, they are used as new ways to produce energy.
"Iran has weapons of mass destruction"....is what the Western world and Israel have been trying to make people believe, as a new part of their Islamophobic propaganda, and sadly they got it down the mind of a lot of people. The fact is, THEY want once again to make people believe yet ANOTHER Islamic country has weapons of mass destruction (remember Iraq?), to then be able to invade such country and take control of it. Some years later, the world will know "Oh, they didn't have such weapons". Then they will leave their troops down there claiming to be working to "maintain peace", taking advantage of the benefits of the country, oppressing their people, creating more problems that they already had, to hopefully one day leave it destroyed and unstable.

It doesn't matter that America and Israel and Europe may have ulterior motives. It doesn't change anything about taking a chance on such a major problem.

I also remind you, who were the first ones who actually created nuclear weapons with not only the intention to use them, but were irrational enough to actually use them? Was it an Islamic country? Ask yourselves people, some of you seem to forget...

So what's your point?

[Siggie]

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So we should say "sorry, you can't take advantage of the cheapest and safest energy source because we don't trust Islamic countries not to do more with it?"

Having nuclear energy doesn't equal being able to make and launch a nuclear bomb.

Also, I don't think Ashot's saying that religion hasn't been a factor, so the fact that there have been religiously motivated wars or acts of violence doesn't change his point. Christians have blood on their hands too.

[SevSpitak]

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I didn't say every single person in the Middle East is bad. But all the ones that are in power are bad and that's all that matters.

Again, what does this have to do with Muslims or the Middle-Easterns? Can you name me ONE person in power (as in presidents, politicians, prime ministers, etc.) who aren't bad?