Recognition of Armenian Genocide by USA

[KanadaHye]

Re: Recognition of Armenian Genocide by USA

Sev your outlook on capitolism is very much like my own. As for liberalism the very notion that everyone should have a fair shot at life is itself a liberal idea which brought down monarchy. I am not a liberal nor a conservative but i value the good that comes from both sides and point out the bad things to.

Monarchy still exists, it's just in a form that's less noticeable. You don't hear about the people with private fortunes that are behind the scenes pulling strings. Capitalism in itself is not a bad concept if it functioned the way it was intended to. I think a doctor or lawyer should be valued more than a garbage man or what would be the point of anyone trying to achieve anything? The first goal of Capitalism is to own land, since all slave owners owned land, acquiring land became a way of taking yourself out of the chain of slavery. If you own your property, it no longer belongs to the state and you now have power to do with it as you please. It's a goal that most people in North America brush off since their goal is to make payments on a home up until their death.

Armenians owned land in the Ottoman Empire. We also had our own businesses. We certainly weren't slaves, even though we were at a disadvantage, we were very influential. And to see all that taken away from us within a moment in time had to be truly devastating.

[SevSpitak]

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The thing is that sure today the conservatives agree but they did not agree of their free will. They were forced to agree because not doing so would destroy them. Conservatives are or were against desegragation, the right for people to vote, separation of church and state, the right of women to vote, civil rights,.... i think you get my point. I think we need to look at things in a historical perspective to get a better idea of what they really stand for. Things like personal and financial responcibility are examples of conservatism i do like so as you said earlier there is good and bad in everything. The problem i have with capitolism is that it values capitol more then humanity. Such a system cannot provide humanity the things it needs to grow and thrive. Humanity cannot be measured in terms of money, doing this cheapens us and life itself and that is exactly whats happening today. Btw i think we drifted off topic here a bit.

No objection here.

[SevSpitak]

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Monarchy still exists, it's just in a form that's less noticeable. You don't hear about the people with private fortunes that are behind the scenes pulling strings. Capitalism in itself is not a bad concept if it functioned the way it was intended to. I think a doctor or lawyer should be valued more than a garbage man or what would be the point of anyone trying to achieve anything? The first goal of Capitalism is to own land, since all slave owners owned land, acquiring land became a way of taking yourself out of the chain of slavery. If you own your property, it no longer belongs to the state and you now have power to do with it as you please. It's a goal that most people in North America brush off since their goal is to make payments on a home up until their death.

Armenians owned land in the Ottoman Empire. We also had our own businesses. We certainly weren't slaves, even though we were at a disadvantage, we were very influential. And to see all that taken away from us within a moment in time had to be truly devastating.

And no objection here either lol

Like we said, there's always goods in everything initially, but humans distort them and use their flaws to their advantages, which exposes its bads.

Speaking of owning land made me think of my great great grandfather in the Ottoman Empire. He was apparently a dude with a huge moustache, with several wives, who owned seven mountains O_O, and did nothing with his life but chill. I wish I was his son and not his great great grandson..

[SevSpitak]

Re: Recognition of Armenian Genocide by USA

Then again... his son went through 1915..

I take that back.

[Haykakan]

Re: Recognition of Armenian Genocide by USA

Then again... his son went through 1915..

I take that back.

LOL

[SevSpitak]

Re: Recognition of Armenian Genocide by USA

No objection here.

Wait, I just re-read what you said and I do have an objection. I don't think conservatives didn't agree with giving a shot at life to everyone. The snobs at the top probably did (but that's no different than liberals who mask it with politics), but not the common conservative folk. I think you can infer the word "justice" in "give a shot at life to all," and all positive ideologies aim at bringing justice to people.

But I agree, we need a little bit of both to survive today.

Anyway, I'm going to bed so I'll continue tomorrow (I love discussions like this )

[Armanen]

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The tricolor is the symbol of socialism ie Vennenzuelas flag and a few others. So Kanadahye is waving the liberal flag while dishing liberals. Makes me wonder what levon was doing while dishing gays and women.

Our flag's colors are not the same as Venezuela's, and I have never heard of Venezuela's flag colors having anything to do with socialism. More like it represents, the sun, water and blood spilled for independence.

[ashot24]

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Our flag is not the same as Venezuela's, and I have never heard of Venezuela's flag colors having anything to do with socialism. More like it represents, the sun, water and blood spilled for independence.

No, that's the meaning it was given by the former Gran Colombia states (Venezuela, Colombia, and Ecuador) after its dissolution. The original flag, designed by Franscisco de Miranda, was designed after the idea of the primary colors Goether gave him, citing his words:

[...] the iris transforms light into the three primary colors […] yellow is the most warm, noble and closest to white light [...] blue is that mix of excitement and serenity, a distance that evokes shadows [...] red is the exaltation of yellow and blue, the synthesis, the vanishing of light into shadow. It is not that the world is made of yellows, blues and reds; it is that in this manner, as if in an infinite combination of these three colors, we human beings see it.

There is also a funny story about the flag of the GC. It says after an visit to Russia [Empire back then], Miranda [an alleged lover of Catherine II] was given a Russian flag [white, blue, red]...but after the long trip back home, the white turned into yellow because of the dirtiness of the ship.

[Armanen]

Re: Recognition of Armenian Genocide by USA

No, that's the meaning it was given by the former Gran Colombia states (Venezuela, Colombia, and Ecuador) after its dissolution. The original flag, designed by Franscisco de Miranda, was designed after the idea of the primary colors Goether gave him, citing his words:

That's good to know. However, it still proves what haykakan said is not true.

I always tell people from any of those three countries that they should be re united again! That would be a pretty powerful country, but of course uncle sam and its tools in these nations would never allow that to occur.

[ashot24]

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That's good to know. However, it still proves what haykakan said is not true.

I always tell people from any of those three countries that they should be re united again! That would be a pretty powerful country, but of course uncle sam and its tools in these nations would never allow that to occur.

Yeah, I always tell people as well, if I can be a little offtopic...I mean imagine the incredible advantage we would have if not only former GC but whole Latin America would unite as a country. A whole continent [excluding Brazil and the colonies] speaking one language and having one single ethnic background, that's a huge advantage if we compare with the USSR and Yugoslavia, we would save the problems with ethnic conflicts....But no, besides the fact the US and A would never allow it, people here have a lot of issues towards each other for no logical reason, even in a same country, which is a really big problem.

However, a de facto truth and although no one likes to recognize it, Latin America is a big country and its countries are different provinces or regions of a whole. People from around can't be considered as foreigners, they are just 'paisanos' [fellow countrymen] with funny accents lol.