Recognition of Armenian Genocide by USA

[Mukuch]

Re: Recognition of Armenian Genocide by USA

THE "BLONDE CONDOLEEZZA" WAS FAST ENOUGH

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8553013.stm

http://en.rian.ru/world/20100306/158111949.html

- Bush blocked the resolution to go forward in 2007.
- Obama promised to adopt the word "Genocide" during his election campain. What a lier.
- Now the "Blonde Condoleezza" was quick enough to reveal the intentions of the administration.

Don't fool yourselves. The USA has not intention of recognizing the Genocide. We are not their allies, the Turks are.

Believe me, the committee members who voted for the resolution will block it if they become the President one day.

Make no mistake.
ZORAVAR

That is all right. But every time it passes Congress it is a spit in the face of the turks. I personaly enjoy it.

[GreekForumer]

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That is all right. But every time it passes Congress it is a spit in the face of the turks. I personaly enjoy it.

On a Greek-Turkish forum, a Greek guy had this to say.

Get ready for a major gang-bang. This issue is not going away so if it doesn't pass this year it will happen 2, 3, 5, or 15 years later. I honestly hope it does NOT pass. I'd rather we have the same debate and news coverage EVERY YEAR! Non-recognition in fact works to get the word out to a wider audience, and they all get the same message: GENOCIDE.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/24806...enian+Genocide

[Haykakan]

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Non-recognition in fact works to get the word out to a wider audience, and they all get the same message: GENOCIDE.

The problem with this is that it has taken us 95 years to get this far with nothing tangible to show for it.

[jgk3]

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The problem with this is that it has taken us 95 years to get this far with nothing tangible to show for it.

very true.

[ara87]

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I know this is going to sound like a defeatist statement, but frankly speaking, Armenians need to stop deluding themselves that America will ever recognize the genocide officially. Even if they did, that means nothing as long as Turkey never recognizes it, and Turkey never will.


It annoys me that so many Armenians can get up and contact their congressmen and senators every year, come April to demand something so which is so obviously unattainable(especially as of now), but never actually care enough to get up and do anything else for Armenia when it's needed.

To think that all this wasted effort and money lobbying(yes, we do have lobbyists, and very well off Armenians who've spent quite a bit of money over the decades) could have been used to obtain tangible goals, like financial aid to Armenia, or making sure Armenia wasn't to be excluded in a train rail that now connects Turkey/Georgia/Azerbaijan, and will connect all 3, all the way to China.

Also, by bringing up the Genocide every year we just bring up the fact that Turks, Azeris, and everyone in there pockets deny it, and every year it causes them to end up spending more money to propagate the lie, and spread more negative propaganda about us.



Armenians need to wake up. In order to get anything done, first of all they need to register to vote and then actually vote. So when they do call their congressmen, they'll actually care what they have to say, since they'd be a future vote. Lastly they need to stop annoying the crap out of the US government. They already told us it wouldn't ever be happening while we were still in Iraq and Afghanistan back in '07, so why would they change their opinion now?

We have nothing to offer the USA. There isn't anything that can be found in Armenia that can't be found anywhere else, so the least we can do is to try and stop annoying them, until we're at least withdrawn from Iraq, and then maybe try again then

[Mukuch]

Re: Recognition of Armenian Genocide by USA

I know this is going to sound like a defeatist statement, but frankly speaking, Armenians need to stop deluding themselves that America will ever recognize the genocide officially. Even if they did, that means nothing as long as Turkey never recognizes it, and Turkey never will.


It annoys me that so many Armenians can get up and contact their congressmen and senators every year, come April to demand something so which is so obviously unattainable(especially as of now), but never actually care enough to get up and do anything else for Armenia when it's needed.

To think that all this wasted effort and money lobbying(yes, we do have lobbyists, and very well off Armenians who've spent quite a bit of money over the decades) could have been used to obtain tangible goals, like financial aid to Armenia, or making sure Armenia wasn't to be excluded in a train rail that now connects Turkey/Georgia/Azerbaijan, and will connect all 3, all the way to China.

Also, by bringing up the Genocide every year we just bring up the fact that Turks, Azeris, and everyone in there pockets deny it, and every year it causes them to end up spending more money to propagate the lie, and spread more negative propaganda about us.



Armenians need to wake up. In order to get anything done, first of all they need to register to vote and then actually vote. So when they do call their congressmen, they'll actually care what they have to say, since they'd be a future vote. Lastly they need to stop annoying the crap out of the US government. They already told us it wouldn't ever be happening while we were still in Iraq and Afghanistan back in '07, so why would they change their opinion now?

We have nothing to offer the USA. There isn't anything that can be found in Armenia that can't be found anywhere else, so the least we can do is to try and stop annoying them, until we're at least withdrawn from Iraq, and then maybe try again then

It dose sound defeatist ....

[KanadaHye]

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Take a page out of how it's done in Canada.

Deadly embassy attack in Ottawa
Broadcast Date: March 12, 1985

One security guard is dead and the Turkish ambassador is severely injured following an attack on Turkey's embassy in Ottawa. At 7 a.m., three well-armed men drive up to the gate of the Turkish Embassy in a rented moving truck. They shoot the guard outside his bulletproof enclosure, vault the fence and blast their way into the embassy with explosives. In this clip, a CBC radio reporter finds himself playing an active role in the drama.

Once inside, the gunmen – who describe themselves as "Armenian revolutionaries" – take the embassy's occupants hostage and begin to negotiate. But rather than talking to police, they spell out their demands to CBC Radio's Vince Carlin, saying they want the Turkish government to acknowledge the Armenian genocide of 1915.

At one point, the Turkish ambassador attempts to escape by jumping out a second-storey window. Four hours after it began, it's all over when the attackers lay down their guns in exchange for a police promise not to shoot. The other hostages are released unharmed, but the ambassador is left with a broken leg, arm and pelvis.

Deadly embassy attack in Ottawa

• This was the third assault on Turkish diplomatic staff in Ottawa by Armenian attackers in three years.

• In April 1982, the embassy's commercial counsellor was shot and critically injured in a parking garage. A group called the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia took responsibility.

• Four months later, in August 1982, the embassy's military attachι was shot to death as he drove to work. The Justice Commandos Against Armenian Genocide claimed responsibility.

• The people responsible for the attacks, and many others on Turkish interests in Europe and Turkey itself, were all motivated by the same thing. Armenian groups claimed Turkey had murdered 1.5 million Armenians in 1915 and stolen Armenian territory.

• The Globe and Mail reported on March 13, 1985, that historians estimated that 600,000 Armenians were murdered. In 2005, historian Donald Bloxham estimated the number at one million.

• According to a 1985 Globe and Mail report, the Turkish government said 300,000 Armenians died during the time period in question and maintained it was not a systematic, planned genocide.

• In 2004 the Canadian Parliament passed a bill acknowledging the Armenian genocide. The Canadian Press reported: "The Turkish government rejects the charge of genocide as unfounded and says that while 600,000 Armenians died, 2.5 million Muslims perished in a period of civil unrest."

• In 1915, in the midst of the First World War, the Turks deported about two million Armenians to outlying desert regions. The Turks' action was a response to its belief that Armenians had assisted invading Russian armies and that the Allied powers supported Armenian self-rule. It was during this time that the alleged genocide took place. Turkey, however, maintained that any deaths resulted from the chaos of deportation and local disputes.

• After the war, Armenia became a socialist republic which was later absorbed by the Soviet Union.

• Armenia is located northeast of Turkey and southwest of the former Soviet republic of Azerbaijan. In 1991, when the Soviet Union broke up, Armenia and Azerbaijan both gained their independence.

• Three men, two from Quebec and one from Ontario, were charged with murder in the 1985 attack on the Turkish Embassy in Ottawa. They were: Kevork Marchelian, Rafi Panos Titizian, and Ohannes Noubarian. They said they were with the Armenian Revolutionary Army.

• In November 1986, an Ottawa jury found all three guilty of first-degree murder. They were sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole in 25 years.

• After the conviction, Noubarian said in a statement that the three were "deeply saddened" by the death of the security guard, 31-year-old Claude Brunelle.

• Noubarian added that the trio's actions "sprang from the national ideals we shared. However, something undesirable and regrettable happened and Mr. Brunelle died, resulting in the clouding of our aims and our goals and also resulting in our persecution and trial as simple criminals."

http://archives.cbc.ca/war_conflict/...m/clips/13129/

[Mukuch]

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Well it was done the same way in Portugal

On July 27, 1983, the five men, known as the Lisbon Five, stormed the Turkish Embassy in Lisbon demanding Turkey acknowledge its 1915 genocide of Armenians.

The five members of the Armenian Revolutionary Army seized the Turkish Ambassador's residence and set off explosives which destroyed the building and killed themselves. In a note delivered to the news media during the takeover, the Armenian Revolutionary Army (as they called themselves) said: `We have decided to blow up this building and remain under the collapse. This is not suicide nor an expression of insanity, but rather our sacrifice to the altar of freedom.' The note also said that they had resorted to armed struggle because peaceful means for the `pursuit of our just cause' had failed.'

The Lisbon Five consisted of: Sarkis Abrahamian, Setrak Ajemian, Vatche Daghlian, Ara Kuhrjulian, and Simon Yahniyan

[Haykakan]

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It dose sound defeatist ....

No it does not. The resources and energy put twords this fruitless endeavor could have been much better spent in connecting the diaspora with Armenia. All we bought was a handshake and a smile which leaves the Mr Hachikians of the world feeling good about themselves while absolutly nothing good gets accomplished for the Armenian people. No one is going to give us justice- even if turcky itself recognizes and apologizes for the genocide it is still not justice for us. We need to take what is ours but we can only do it when we are strong thus we neeed to work on building a strong nation above all else. You can look at this situation as a investor since investing their money is exactly what the Armenians are doing. You dont invest into a stock which is never going to yield a return which exactly what the whole genocide recognition campaign is about. You may want to invest into a stock which will for sure yield a return like investing into our homeland and making your own personal connection with it, sending your childeren there.. The zionists and turcks are basicly robbing what is left of our people by having us chase our own tales in a endless circle while they get richer from the money we give them. Quit throwing your money away and put it to good use, buy yourself a ticket and go to Hayastan-you wont regret it and might even fall in love with your homeland.

[Mukuch]

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No it does not. The resources and energy put twords this fruitless endeavor could have been much better spent in connecting the diaspora with Armenia. All we bought was a handshake and a smile which leaves the Mr Hachikians of the world feeling good about themselves while absolutly nothing good gets accomplished for the Armenian people. No one is going to give us justice- even if turcky itself recognizes and apologizes for the genocide it is still not justice for us. We need to take what is ours but we can only do it when we are strong thus we neeed to work on building a strong nation above all else. You can look at this situation as a investor since investing their money is exactly what the Armenians are doing. You dont invest into a stock which is never going to yield a return which exactly what the whole genocide recognition campaign is about. You may want to invest into a stock which will for sure yield a return like investing into our homeland and making your own personal connection with it, sending your childeren there.. The zionists and turcks are basicly robbing what is left of our people by having us chase our own tales in a endless circle while they get richer from the money we give them. Quit throwing your money away and put it to good use, buy yourself a ticket and go to Hayastan-you wont regret it and might even fall in love with your homeland.

Whatever... i enjoy pissed face of Erdogan. If you would have some armenian blood in you than you would understand me...maybe...