Degradation of Armenians in Armenia.

[lampron]

Re: Degradation of Armenians in Armenia.

The 200 euros and even more, you mention, are receiving manual workers, in Armenia. For instance my sons; I have 3 sons, receive more than $1,000 per month. By the way you should return back to Armenia, because the situation in Greece is not significantly better now.

As the Greek economy worsens, even Greeks are thinking of leaving Greece for other countries.
Thousands of foreign workers in Greece among them Armenians will be affected. If they return to Armenia, the Armenian economy will benefit.

[hipeter924]

Re: Degradation of Armenians in Armenia.

Not yet. In France Moslems are 5 million out of 60 million.
But Armenia is not anti-Moslem. In fact Armenians can get on with Moslems better than Europeans.
Culture is not enough if you are sick, unemployed, or have no proper home, and can't afford doctors or medicines, can't afford to buy proper clothes, or your food intake is very basic, not very nutritious and the same every day.
That is why 800,000 or more Armenians have left Armenia

Actually with Muslims in Europe it is more to do with poverty and low education, many live in appaling conditions in Ghettos; and have little rights and bad working conditions so it is no wonder they dont like the Europeans. As for Armenia as far as I can tell no one starves or is unhealthy in the way you are talking of, Armenians just dont have a huge amount of money. But at least the money is shared, in Turkey and Azerbajian millions are in poverty, not so with Armenia.

[gegev]

Re: Degradation of Armenians in Armenia.

My parents left cause of the bad economical situation not because of war,and i know lot of familys here in greece most of them left cause they had relatives here,or for a search of better life without the hardships of bad economy in crisis in the middle of a war.
If my parents stay in Yerevan they will earn today less than 200 euros per month as teachers in opera.The good thing would be the many trips and they would still do what they love the most.

The 200 euros and even more, you mention, are receiving manual workers, in Armenia. For instance my sons; I have 3 sons, receive more than $1,000 per month. By the way you should return back to Armenia, because the situation in Greece is not significantly better now.

[UrMistake]

Re: Degradation of Armenians in Armenia.

My parents left cause of the bad economical situation not because of war,and i know lot of familys here in greece most of them left cause they had relatives here,or for a search of better life without the hardships of bad economy in crisis in the middle of a war.
If my parents stay in Yerevan they will earn today less than 200 euros per month as teachers in opera.The good thing would be the many trips and they would still do what they love the most.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Degradation of Armenians in Armenia.

The Armenians who have left, did not left because they did not like the policy of Armenia, they left because of the earthquake, crisis and the nations who constantly wage war against us.

The situation in Armenia is amazing, and I think only the Armenians could survive such a horror, no other nation. Our living standards are even higher than the of most Georgians or Azeris.

Armenia is the most democratic, safe, stable country in the whole of the Caucasus, and we can be proud of that!

[lampron]

Re: Degradation of Armenians in Armenia.

Its easy to criticise Armenia because of economics, democracy or free speech wise, thats probably the thing that gives some Europeans a feeling of superiority. But culture wise Armenia is an equal at least. But some EU nations have worse democracy especially in Italy where the ruiling party owns the tv channels and major newspapers. Also demographically Europe is a
mess, in many parts of Europe poor Turkish and North African Muslims are starting to outnumber the Europeans. If you look at Armenia, most people are still Arnenian and keep their culture, in Europe that is not the case. So if I was to compare Armenia and Europe, I could find more reasons for staying in Armenia.

Not yet. In France Moslems are 5 million out of 60 million.
But Armenia is not anti-Moslem. In fact Armenians can get on with Moslems better than Europeans.
Culture is not enough if you are sick, unemployed, or have no proper home, and can't afford doctors or medicines, can't afford to buy proper clothes, or your food intake is very basic, not very nutritious and the same every day.
That is why 800,000 or more Armenians have left Armenia

[hipeter924]

Re: Degradation of Armenians in Armenia.

Its easy to criticise Armenia because of economics, democracy or free speech wise, thats probably the thing that gives some Europeans a feeling of superiority. But culture wise Armenia is an equal at least. But some EU nations have worse democracy especially in Italy where the ruiling party owns the tv channels and major newspapers. Also demographically Europe is a
mess, in many parts of Europe poor Turkish and North African Muslims are starting to outnumber the Europeans. If you look at Armenia, most people are still Arnenian and keep their culture, in Europe that is not the case. So if I was to compare Armenia and Europe, I could find more reasons for staying in Armenia.

[UrMistake]

Re: Degradation of Armenians in Armenia.

Im just saying i got alot o relatives in armenia,and we talk from Skype,
good lord armenia have numerous problems,but all of them are solvable thank god,
people there have brains,they lack money.
In the other hand we are not in any way compared to the other xxxx holes like pakistan azerbaboonistan kazakstan ouzbekistan and other arab states or balkan ones,
our country is better in so many ways from lets say turkey that even if they try so hard to enter European union still they will be considered backwards and just will not fit with other civilized country's,
but even calling the word armenian the people that are educated will think it as one more rightful european neighbor only if we where closely geographical but that not mean we are not Europeans,turks are mongols but do u see the in mongolia?

[Tigranakert]

Re: Degradation of Armenians in Armenia.

Also these kind of people are the ones who hurt our nation the most, for example the girl I was talking about, she does not like Armenia just because she heared negative stories about Armenia.

Instead of being optimistic, try to do something for your country to make it how you want it to be, these guys are only good at criticizing everything. Also, thinking logical is also a major obstacle, as people do not understand that a country who has just gotten independence after hundreds of years, has suffered a major war/earthquake/closed borders, will have it's difficulties and wrongs, and will not become a paradise in 10-15 years.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Degradation of Armenians in Armenia.

I did a google search, I don't know who owns those web sites

Sure there are thousands of Dutch, American, French and other girls in this business.

But how many of them trafficked? The vast majority I would guess entered this trade of their own free will.

The Armenian girls who are tricked are probably innocent and vulnerable people from humble backgrounds in villages. The Armenian 'businessmen' or 'businesswomen' who have lured them probably have connections with government people or the police. From what I have read very few of them have been prosecuted and those few who have, have served a very short time in prison.

But there is another difference. Armenia has suffered a genocide. Holand or America or France have not!

With a nation that was on the brink of extinction even the destruction of ONE Armenian life is one Armenian life too many!!!

I did Google research too, and it turns out you are a computer, not a human.

Last there was a documentary in Holland where they said more than 80% of the women does it against her free will. A lot of them are being taken hostage by their pimp, and are even being killed for not doing their ''job''.

You are just talking nonsense, prostetition and trafficking is happening anywhere, and the rates in Armenia are not as high, even compared to ''all those wonderful paradise European countries''.

As for corruption, did you know that in almost all the countries in the world, there is corruption? Yes, even in European countries. As for Armenia, in a transition after barely 20 years of independence, we are going the right way.

Haha, because we are Armenians, you judge us harder? Last I had a conversation with a girl (irakahay), she said she did not like Armenia because she was Christian, and in her opinion (she has never been to Armenia), Armenians (hayastancis) are not as religious as she is, that is why she does not like Armenia. Then I asked, but isn't that hypocracy? You live in Holland, a country where they call Christians ''dogs'' and most of the people are atheist, and everything is legal. She said, ''no'', because Armenians are the first Christian nation.

So basically, in her opinion if Armenains do something wrong (even though she is not right, compared to European countries Armenians are very religous), it is ten times as worse than if Europeans do something wrong. These kind of people will always find something, even the most weirdest excuses, to denagrate Armenia and criticize it.

And now you say because we had a genocide.... same hypocracy.

Pathethic.