Armenian-Greek relations

[lampron]

Re: Armenian-Greek relations

Civilized human likes peace in general and try to avoid wars in any cost, that doesn’t mean that they’re afraid or terrified, on the other hand barbaric beasts likes wars, destruction, killing, kidnapping and raping women and children.

In the 1930's the Greek government proposed the Nobel Peace Prize for Mustafa Kemal (Ataturk)

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian-Greek relations

In the 1930's the Greek government proposed the Nobel Peace Prize for Mustafa Kemal (Ataturk)

So what?

A little research suggest this information is coming from Turkish sources.

If there is any truth in this then you are referring to the Eleftherios Venizelos government.

Although he was a famous Greek political activist he had rather significant failures.

Because of him, there was a bitter division of the Greek nation, called as the "National Schism" or The Great Division.
The Nation did not recover from this until the second world war.

One of the consequences of this was the disaster of the Asia Minor campaign, destruction of Smyrna etc.

He died in exile with an assassination attempt to his credit.

Hardly a full representative of the Greek Nation.

History has proven that even the peace treaty he signed with Turkey was built on sand.

[UrMistake]

Re: Armenian-Greek relations

Actually Venizelos where good politician ..he supported an Armeno-Pontic union and not just Pontic nation cause he knew allon it would not last,for that he were disliked by Pontus people.
He were the one that made Greece strong WW1 were all in favour of Greece rlibaration of Thessaolinika against Bulgaria..Smyrna were partially greek (people living there would decide democratically were would they liked to be part of greece or turkey) only the city of Constantinople were under the government of allies,all the Thrace were greek.

The attempts of assassination against were all called from the greek king and his supporters..one king which were expelled and not wonted from the allied powers(or great powers)..and only when the Venizelos government lost the elections he left in sorrow greece cause felt betrayal from his own people.

Then the opposition wich supported monarchy bring back the King ..so the allies stoped support greece.He lost smyrna by attacking the turks..allied did nothing to help him...even the the moron king instead to put a fight to the city for the people of it,he commanded to withdraw all the military units he went only to salute his troops and the left for athens his incompetent commanders took over..
When turks did what were natural for them act like barbarians they were..back in athens the people were very angry about the government and i believe 5 leading politicians and commanders were mediately executed..people wonted revenge trailed the people no even listening them some say the were innocent ones just killed so to calm down the angry people...

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian-Greek relations

Actually Venizelos where good politician ..he supported an Armeno-Pontic union and not just Pontic nation cause he knew allon it would not last,for that he were disliked by Pontus people.
He were the one that made Greece strong WW1 were all in favour of Greece rlibaration of Thessaolinika against Bulgaria..Smyrna were partially greek (people living there would decide democratically were would they liked to be part of greece or turkey) only the city of Constantinople were under the government of allies,all the Thrace were greek.

The attempts of assassination against were all called from the greek king and his supporters..one king which were expelled and not wonted from the allied powers(or great powers)..and only when the Venizelos government lost the elections he left in sorrow greece cause felt betrayal from his own people.

Then the opposition wich supported monarchy bring back the King ..so the allies stoped support greece.He lost smyrna by attacking the turks..allied did nothing to help him...even the the moron king instead to put a fight to the city for the people of it,he commanded to withdraw all the military units he went only to salute his troops and the left for athens his incompetent commanders took over..
When turks did what were natural for them act like barbarians they were..back in athens the people were very angry about the government and i believe 5 leading politicians and commanders were mediately executed..people wonted revenge trailed the people no even listening them some say the were innocent ones just killed so to calm down the angry people...

I respect your knowledge.

My point was he was a party to the great schism which had terrible consequences at the time.

We as Armenians should take lessons from history of our shortcomings as well as other nations.

[lampron]

Re: Armenian-Greek relations

So what?

A little research suggest this information is coming from Turkish sources.

If there is any truth in this then you are referring to the Eleftherios Venizelos government.

Although he was a famous Greek political activist he had rather significant failures.

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whether we like it or not he did propose the Nobel Peace Prize to the Turkish dictator who 10 years earlier had caused the deaths of 200,000 Greeks and 30,000 Armenians at Smyrna (Izmir)!

The Turks may make use of this blunder - are you surprised?

In 1955 there was an anti-Greek pogrom in Istanbul (I think some Armenians were also attacked). Again, Greece failed to respond.

[Davo88]

Re: Armenian-Greek relations

it has recognized the Armenian genocide? what courage!

I sense your sarcasm. I think Greece is the only one of Turkey's neighbours to have recognized the Armenian genocide, apart from Armenia itself of course. And this happened at a time when there were only a couple of countries that had done so. Even Lebanon (which as you know hosts an influential Armenian community) had not yet done so. Armenians should not disregard this, or downplay this, just because we have recorded advancements in the Armenian cause in other countries...

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian-Greek relations

In 1955 there was an anti-Greek pogrom in Istanbul (I think some Armenians were also attacked). Again, Greece failed to respond.

Yes there was.

That displayed the nature of the Turkish character rather than Greek character.

As for you to bring a situation that happened 55 years ago and associate it with the present day is simply daft.

In any event countries do not start wars because their minorities are mistreated unless there is an ulterior motive.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian-Greek relations

scared? More like terrified (of risking another war). The evidence is fairly clear over decades, based on fact not opinion!

Using your argument Turkey is shi.t scared of Armenia because they did not attack Armenia when their Azerboons brothers were getting what they deserved.

Perhaps Turkey was not scared of Armenia but they agreed their little Azerbaboon brothers needed a lesson not to try to upstage them with their barbarity.

[lampron]

Re: Armenian-Greek relations

Yes there was.


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you checked the Wiki then?

That displayed the nature of the Turkish character rather than Greek character.

wonderful! tell that to the victims! If the Turkish character is brutal and you submit to it, what does that make you?

As for you to bring a situation that happened 55 years ago and associate it with the present day is simply daft.

to ignore what happened 90, 55 or 5 years ago (I gave plenty of examples early on of the present) is simply moronic

countries do not start wars because their minorities are mistreated unless there is an ulterior motive.

so it's perfectly ok for countries to quietly accept that their fellow countrymen are being murdered unless they have an "ulterior motive". The victims will be really grateful for your "explanation"!

[Alexandros]

Re: Armenian-Greek relations

whether we like it or not he did propose the Nobel Peace Prize to the Turkish dictator who 10 years earlier had caused the deaths of 200,000 Greeks and 30,000 Armenians at Smyrna (Izmir)!

The Turks may make use of this blunder - are you surprised?

In 1955 there was an anti-Greek pogrom in Istanbul (I think some Armenians were also attacked). Again, Greece failed to respond.

Venizelos did propose the Nobel Peace Prize but you have to remember that the relations between Greece and Turkey after the Lausane treaty at that time were better than the relations today(Turkish violations of Greek airspace and territorial water, Turkish occupation of northern Cyprus...). And Venizelos was more of a diplomat than a politician in my honest opinion but seriously, hasn`t the Nobel Peace Prize become a joke? The term "Genocide" wasn`t coined until 1944 and Venizelos wasn`t exactly a Genocide scholar. But I get your point, the Turks use this as an argument for what happened to the Greeks...etc. On the other hand, the Swedish parliament(just recently) and some few U.S. states have recognized the Greek pontian Genocide. I think also some Australian regional parliaments have recognized the Greek Pontian Genocide.

As for the pogrom against the Greeks living in Istanbul and other minorities, Greece may not have responded militarily(if that is what you are trying to say) but Greece did deprive some of the Muslims living in Greek Thrace their Greek citizenship between 1955-1998 as a punishment for the pogrom against the Greeks living in Istanbul. Although Greece was not as brutal as Turkey, about 46000 Muslims(the majority of them Turks) living in Greek Thrace were deprived their Greek citizenship between 1955-1998 because of the discriminatory article 19 that was enacted 1955 but later abolished 1998.