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    Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh): what is your opinion about making concessions?

    The coming years are decisive for the future of Nagorno-Karabakh. What are your opinions, should we make concessions in order for peace and the international recognition of Artsakh, or not?

    Everyone agrees that if we should make concessions, the status of Artsakh should be determined immediatly, otherwise it would be foolish to do so.

    So presuming Artsakh will get international recognition, what do you think about the surrounding of the other historical Armenian territories surrounding Artsakh?

    Karvachar (Kelbajar). A lot of ancient-old Armenian churches, castles and other monuments can be found in this region, which is one of the region which is being discussed to be ''given back''.



    All the regions are too beautiful and have too many historical Armenian monuments to be given back to these barbarians (of the 280 Armenian churches in Nakhichevan today 0 are standing). The story ends here.

    But I think time is on our side, as the oil money will be exhausted within 20 years and there will be a lot of political instability in Azerbaijan as they have a dictatorship which will not last long, it is doomed to bring instability the second it goes wrong.

    The best option for us, even if it sounds crazy, is to hope Azerbaijan will be foolish enough to attack us, that would be our chance to solve this once and for all. We should heavily invest in our army for this to succeed, and if possible to provocate Azerbaijan into starting a war (and doing everything we can to destabilize Azerbaijan, by trying to create a wedge between Azerbaijan, whose leaders are Kurdish, and Turkey, by supporting Iranian Mullahs who can create chaos within Azerbaijan, by supporting Talish and Lezgins, supporting a pro-Russian regime change in Georgia, etc).
    Last edited by Tigranakert; 05-18-2010, 11:05 AM.
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    Re: Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh): what is your opinion about making concessions?

    One must not forget that the Nagorno-Karabakh borders were drawn arbitrarily by Stalin in order to make it look like it's an integral part of Azerbaijan, while in reality, Karabakh is a much larger region including the historically Armenian Shahumian district just north of Karabakh that unfortunately remains today under Azerbaijan.

    Shahumyan Province - Wikipedia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahumian


    If we return one or two districts, are we going to get some of Shahumian in exchange? I doubt the Azeris would be making such concessions. If we do return one or two districts, however, there should not be a presence of Azeri troops and could possibly be patrolled by some kind of multinational peacekeeping force. Same for the NKR-Azeri border.

    As for Agdam, it was essentially an Azeri city but was too close to Nagorno-Karabakh for it to be left standing...

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      Re: Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh): what is your opinion about making concessions?

      Originally posted by Tigranakert View Post

      Personally, I could live with it if they only gave Agdam back, as the other regions are too beautiful and have too many historical Armenian monuments to be given back to these barbarians (of the 280 Armenian churches in Nakhichevan today 0 are standing). As Azerbaboonistan will not accept this, the story ends here.
      Never give Agdam back. It is where the ancient Armenian city of Tigranakert is found. Agdam is just as Armenian as Mardakert or Hadrut.
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        Re: Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh): what is your opinion about making concessions?

        Originally posted by Federate View Post
        Never give Agdam back. It is where the ancient Armenian city of Tigranakert is found. Agdam is just as Armenian as Mardakert or Hadrut.
        All of the area around is ancient and historic its wrong to choose which one is more or less significant.
        This tread has nothing to give instead we should make a tread about how should we return our forefathers lands,thats one we are missing in this forum...

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          Re: Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh): what is your opinion about making concessions?

          Originally posted by UrMistake View Post
          All of the area around is ancient and historic its wrong to choose which one is more or less significant.
          This tread has nothing to give instead we should make a tread about how should we return our forefathers lands,thats one we are missing in this forum...
          Liberation of Western Armenia - Armenian Forum
          http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php?t=7562
          Discuss politics relating to Armenia
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            Re: Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh): what is your opinion about making concessions?

            No Concessions, EVER! You give a hungry dog a piece of meat it'll bite your whole hand. Azeri's aren't interested in parts of Karabagh, they want the whole thing along with parts of Armenia. It's extremely foolish to think that giving concessions will get us peace.

            They lost the land. If they want it back they can start another war. No concessions, EVER. No land was ever gained without blood, and no land should ever be given back without blood.

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              Re: Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh): what is your opinion about making concessions?

              This is what the Azeris dream of every day. On the map they're even claiming land from what is now Turkey!

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                Re: Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh): what is your opinion about making concessions?

                No land with their attitude.........they should feel lucky Armenians don't liberate more. Also never sign any declaration to accept Turkey's current border which is against Armenia's constitution.
                B0zkurt Hunter

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                  Re: Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh): what is your opinion about making concessions?

                  We will be forced to withdraw from lands anyways, I am totally against it, but that's what the peace process we are involved asks us to do in order to get to some agreement. However, speaking about one-sided concessions is stupid and we will not agree to it. The question is what will Azerbaijan give us in exchange of returning lands...they seem to not even cover the topic, and in my opinion, asking today to Azerbaijan to return Shahumyan, occupied Martakert and Martuni is mere nonsense.

                  Also, I am against returning some specific lands, according to recent news, they want us to return Kelbajar, Lachin/Fizuli...which means they want to cut out any land connection from Armenia to NK. Azerbaijan sees nothing more than returning ALL lands under their control, whoever thinking that by returning anything to them they are going to consider the possibility of deciding on the status of NK is just fool, and even if they do, after we give an inch to them they will not stop until they have all. They have stated they will never accept anything regarding Karabakh being more than an autonomous region of Azerbaijan, isn't it clear when they say it?

                  The other factor to consider is that we have people living in those lands, even if there are not a lot of people, but there are. We have to consider the human factor here, these people will not leave their lands, and returning lands means we give them a bunch of people who they can abuse from.

                  It is to my view more and more, that this problem is getting worked the wrong way. We are far more concerned about a war resuming, that we do not take with the proper consideration the factor that there might not be a physical war at all, and that we are going to be dealing with a political war, which I think we're on now. During the last days, I have been only reading everyone else's position and conceptions on NK, Medvedev, Aliyev, Erdogan....but I haven't heard a single word of our government. We all know what our position is, but besides the fact that is always good to hear it one more time...it seems to me that we are being left over by big players in a game which concerns us.

                  Any giving back land thing will only have one effect...giving us another Nakhichevan to be mourning about.

                  In order to prevent that, we should really start working on the political ground, because that's where Azeries and Turks know we're weak, and that's exactly where they will attack us.
                  Last edited by ashot24; 05-18-2010, 07:19 AM.

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                    Re: Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh): what is your opinion about making concessions?

                    Yes, recently Erdogan reinstated his position as wanting to place the settlement of Nagorno-Karabakh as a precondition to the protocols. When will our politicians respond?

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