Iranian-Armenian relations

[Mos]

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Like I stated, any Palestinians on suicide missions should be considered homegrown terrorists (unhappy Palestinians living inside Israel). If African Americans began terrorism against Americans, should America attack Africa?

There's never any justification in attacking innocent people. Attacking the military is one thing, killing innocent every day people who have nothing to do with their treatment and just want to live their lives is never acceptable. Those Palestinians should know by now the harsh response that awaits them when they do those sort of attacks - they aren't doing their cause or people a favour either.

[KanadaHye]

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OK Kanada, you did it, you provoked me to a serious conversation. I know you are exeption among this moron anti-Semites, you are still an anti-Semite, but not a moron

I'm not an anti-Semite, I have lots of respect for Natalie Portman and Scarlett Johansson

Before suicide bombings come in fashion there were thousands of trivial terrorist acts performed by airabs in Israel and the targets were all the same- civilians (mostly kids). Actually airab terrorism was invented by Palestinians. (doesn�t mean there was no xxx terrorism before). In end of the day someone must be responsible for this terrorist acts, as it is popular movement in Palestine the one responsible is the general Palestinian population (doesn�t mean that Israelis do not try to target first of all terrorist leaders).
And please do not equal Islamic terrorism with Palestinian one (that is what Israelis trying to do). And the actions in Afghanistan or Iraq have nothing to do with Palestine.
And last: Didn�t know that in "death camps" there were elected leaders, government, own Scholes, hospitals, howsing (some of them financed by the same Israel).

So what came first, the chicken or the egg? When Zionists were enforcing their policies on British mandated Palestine, there were terrorists with Zionist affiliations. Those were the people who even Britain couldn't deal with and eventually the British gave into their demands. Terrorism was imported to Palestine through the Zionist movement.

The Iranian revolution was a CIA operation which got out of control (pretty much like most of them). The Iranian anti-Semitism has pure geo-political roots; no historical or cultural reasons what so ever.

So can you outline what Iran's geo-political goals are with respect to Israel? Are they fighting Neo-Ottomanism?

[Mukuch]

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Like I stated, any Palestinians on suicide missions should be considered homegrown terrorists (unhappy Palestinians living inside Israel). If African Americans began terrorism against Americans, should America attack Africa?

You are absolutely wrong on this one, Kanada. You cant be that stupid, are you? First of all Africa is different continent what I wouldn’t say about Palestine (actually Palestine is a part of Israel by most of international lows). Second and more important: all terrorists come from Gaza and West Bank not from Israel "itself". Why do you think they blow themself on border now? They just can’t get inside Israel anymore. And third Palestinians inside Israel enjoy much better level of life than in West Bank or Gaza so they almost have no reason to blow themself up.

[KanadaHye]

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You are absolutely wrong on this one, Kanada. First of all Africa is different continent what I wouldn’t say about Palestine (actually Palestine is a part of Israel by most of international lows). Second and more important: all terrorists come from Gaza and West Bank not from Israel "itself". Why do you think they blow themself on border now? They just can’t get inside Israel anymore. And third Palestinians inside Israel enjoy much better level of life than in West Bank or Gaza so they almost have no reason to blow themself up.

July 22, 2008: Sixteen people were wounded when a man drove a bulldozer into a bus and four other vehicles in central Jerusalem. The attack was an attempted copycat of an earlier attack on Jerusalem’s Jaffa Road on July 2, 2008. The terrorist was shot dead by police.

July 2, 2008: An Arab resident of Jerusalem deliberately drove a bulldozer into pedestrians and vehicles in central Jerusalem, overturning and flattening a number of buses and cars. Three people were killed and 66 injured in the attack.

March 6, 2008: Eight men, seven of them teenagers, were killed when a Palestinian gunman entered the Merkaz HaRav Yeshiva in Jerusalem and opened fire. The terrorist also wounded nine in the attack before he was killed at the scene.

February 4, 2008: A 73-year-old woman was killed and 40 people were wounded when a suicide bomber blew himself up in a shopping center in the southern city of Dimona. A second bomber was shot by a police officer who noticed him reaching for his explosive belt. Both Hamas’ armed wing, Izaddin Kassam, and Fatah's armed wing, the Aksa Martyrs Brigades, claimed responsibility for the attack.

January 24, 2008: Two terrorists entered the Mekor Hayim High School Yeshiva in Kfar Etzion, south of Jerusalem, and stabbed two students. The terrorists were killed by two of the counselors in the room. The Izaddin al-Kassam's Martyrs Brigades, the Hamas military wing, claimed responsibility for the attack.

I could list more...... as far as people "claiming responsibility" for the attack, the U.S. uses the same tactics as Bin Laden always pops up "claiming responsibility".

[Mukuch]

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I'm not an anti-Semite, I have lots of respect for Natalie Portman and Scarlett Johansson



So what came first, the chicken or the egg? When Zionists were enforcing their policies on British mandated Palestine, there were terrorists with Zionist affiliations. Those were the people who even Britain couldn't deal with and eventually the British gave into their demands. Terrorism was imported to Palestine through the Zionist movement.

Yes absolutely correct, if you read my post carefully I have mentioned that too. But thos attacks were not directed to civilians (were actions against British military) and not in any way were directed against arabs.

So can you outline what Iran's geo-political goals are with respect to Israel? Are they fighting Neo-Ottomanism?

No things are much more simpler: it is called regional domination, and second is even more simple confrontation with US and its strategic partner.

[Mukuch]

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I could list more...... as far as people "claiming responsibility" for the attack, the U.S. uses the same tactics as Bin Laden always pops up "claiming responsibility".

So you think that the responsibles for attacks are not the organizations that claimed responsibility?

[KanadaHye]

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So you doubt that the responsible for attacks are not the organizations that claimed responsibility?

I think a lot of violence that happens in Israel is attributed to terrorism which gives the right-winged Israelis more power to enforce their policies on Gaza and the West Bank.

[Mukuch]

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I think a lot of violence that happens in Israel is attributed to terrorism which gives the right-winged Israelis more power to enforce their policies on Gaza and the West Bank.

Posibly! That is politics as in rest of the world... but there is palestinian terorism which is a real and a very serious treat to Israelis.

[KanadaHye]

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Posibly! That is politics as in rest of the world... but there is palestinian terorism which is a real and a very serious treat to Israelis.

I don't disagree but at the core of the problem is government policies, not an actual hatred between J3ws and Arabs.

[Mukuch]

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I don't disagree but at the core of the problem is government policies, not an actual hatred between J3ws and Arabs.

No Kanada, the problem is much deeper: Israel is actually unique in its kind. It is an independent country created on teritory of some ones colony not by locals but by people who mostly come from outside concidering its their own land. And considering righteously! But the ugliest thing is that this land was populated at the moment by people who also lived there for centuries. Now comes the most interesting for me ( for us) comparation. It is unbelivable what we are witnessing. IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING THAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE TRY TO CREATE A STATE IN WESTERN ARMENIA! We would be in position of Israelis and kuds/turks in position of airabs. You understand now?


I hope that day will come someday. So it is very unvice to take sides just for a moment