Iranian-Armenian relations

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

why is that when Iranian women visit Armenia they ... dress effectively half naked that would make people in a liberal Western city uncomfortable?

I looked for pictures of Iranian tourists in Armenia -- This is what I found (below). Now it's up to you to prove to me that Iranian women are walking around "half-naked" in Armenia:



The funny thing is that when I ran my search using "naked+tourist+armenia" this is what showed up. link

[Mos]

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Lol, one random picture doesn't prove it. I've been in Armenia and seen those women dressed rather openly, I have heard a lot of the things they were doing and how they were behaving from friends and family.

Here's video of Iranians talking about why they visit Armenia: http://www.rferl.org/content/iranian...l/2347526.html

Iranian boys in jeans and leather jackets and girls in short dresses lose themselves in the rhythms of their idols, swaying to the beat and mouthing lyrics which are banned in their home country.

Singers who are not allowed to play live in Iran entertain their fans every year at the Sport-Concert Complex in neighbouring Armenia -- a relatively liberal Christian country which is attracting increasing numbers of tourists from the Islamic republic during the Persian new year festival of Nowruz.

Posters advertising concerts by Iranian musicians can be seen all over the Armenian capital during Nowruz, a two-week holiday which some Iranians use as an opportunity to travel and escape the restrictions at home.

"We love these singers so much, but they are banned in Iran," said 21-year-old student Milad Alizadeh, one of thousands watching his heroes play their forbidden anthems live in Yerevan.

"We love pop music and listen to it in our homes and cars, but not in public places."

Alizadeh said that he was spending his time in Yerevan walking around the city, soaking up the local culture as well as going to bars and discos, dancing and drinking beer, which is also prohibited in Iran.

"Yes, the freedom that exists here is attractive, but we are not only here for freedom and concerts -- we want new experiences, new places, new people, new culture," he said.

Iranian women on a Nowruz break in Yerevan often use the opportunity to cast off their headscarves and drab cover-all overcoats, and dress up in jeans and T-shirts.

More than 20,000 tourists from the Islamic republic are expected to visit the Armenian capital during this year's Nowruz celebrations, according to Hamid Mordakhani, a spokesman for the Iranian embassy.

"Iranian people very much like to travel during the holiday period," Mordakhani said.

"Armenia also attracts Iranian tourists with its beautiful architecture, historic monuments and comparatively affordable prices."

Yerevan restaurants which specialise in Persian cuisine have been doing good business.

At Shirvan, an atmospheric little eaterie in the city centre, the walls are decorated with Persian paintings and carpets, the enticing smell of spices and the aromatic smoke from hookah pipes hangs in the air, and all the tables are reserved.

"We barely manage to serve all the customers during Nowruz," said the owner, Shirvan Ahad Javadi.

By Armenian standards, visiting Iranians are relatively big spenders.

Some tourists are willing to spend up to $300 (211 euros) a night on rooms at city centre hotels, while tickets for Nowruz concerts featuring Iranian singers can cost as much as $70 (49 euros) -- a significant sum in this small, impoverished ex-Soviet republic.

"Iranians prefer to celebrate the holiday in Armenia because pop music and alcohol is banned in their country," said Tigran Davtian, a local tourism expert.

"In addition, both countries enjoy good-neighbourly relations, and there is a simplified visa regime."

Suffering from long-term political disputes with two of its other neighbours, Turkey and Azerbaijan, which have led to an economic blockade and closed borders, Armenia has been developing its links with Iran -- and not just in the sphere of tourism.

Trade turnover between the two countries has been increasing, from $206 million (145 million euros) in 2009 to $273 million (194 million euros) last year -- a significant boost for Armenia's fragile economy.

On a visit to Tehran for a Nowruz celebration on Monday, Armenian President Serzh Sarkisian said that the friendship and business links between the two countries were "a good example of cooperation and mutual enrichment between Christian and Islamic civilisations".

The two countries are working on several joint energy and transport projects, and the Iranian embassy in Yerevan predicts that the tourist inflow is also set to continue.

"If the infrastructure and service standards in Armenia improve, the number of Iranian tourists will only increase," said embassy spokesman Mordakhani.

Some iranian fans dressed pretty western: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OxfpZ9-Nhs (drunk armenian get in fight with iranians lol)

[Federate]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

There's both people who dress liberally and those who retain their conservative attires. The azatutyun.am video showed women with headscarves too.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

I have said many times, that there are some Iranian tourists that off to no good when visiting Armenia. They act like the city is theirs, they often get into fist fights, and do other criminal acts. These hooligans are not liked at all by the local Armenians....

...who consider that such bad behaviour should be limited to the children of their political leaders.

[Persopolis]

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why is that when Iranian women visit Armenia they ... dress effectively half naked that would make people in a liberal Western city uncomfortable?

Show me pictures that Iranian women walking around half-naked in Armenia. Show some so we can see if you're honest or dishonest ....

There's both people who dress liberally and those who retain their conservative attires. The azatutyun.am video showed women with headscarves too.

The issue isn't conservative or liberal attire -- it's whether Iranian women are walking around Armenia "half-naked" in a manner that transgresses even Western "liberal" dressing. Don't let him him weasel out of it; let's see if he can back-up the stereotypes that he so generously has been afforded the opportunity to put on this forum while encouraging people to spit on Iranian tourists and threaten them.

[Mos]

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Show me pictures that Iranian women walking around half-naked in Armenia. Show some so we can see if you're honest or dishonest ....

As I said, some Iranian women (esp younger ones) dress very openly/westernly when visiting Armenia, where there are no dress requirements. The video just shows example. Don't look at only Armenia but look at anywhere else around the world there are Iranians. Not only dressing openly but drinking alcohol in the streets, going to night clubs, and so on. I don't blame them, because they are savouring the freedoms which they don't have in Iran.

[Persopolis]

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As I said, some Iranian women (esp younger ones) dress very openly/westernly when visiting Armenia, where there are no dress requirements. The video just shows example.

No that's not what you said and the video shows no such thing: You need to read your own quote ... WHERE ARE THE HALF-NAKED IRANIAN WOMEN WALKING AROUND ARMENIA IN A WAY THAT WOULD MAKE PEOPLE IN THE WEST UNCOMFORTABLE?

why is that when Iranian women visit Armenia they ... dress effectively half naked that would make people in a liberal Western city uncomfortable?

Since they're everywhere in Armenia ... you should be able to post photographs.

[Mos]

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No that's not what you said and the video shows no such thing: You need to read your own quote ... WHERE ARE THE HALF-NAKED IRANIAN WOMEN WALKING AROUND ARMENIA IN A WAY THAT WOULD MAKE PEOPLE IN THE WEST UNCOMFORTABLE?



Since they're everywhere in Armenia ... you should be able to post photographs.

Apparently I have to repeat myself hundred times for you to get the point. I have seen some Iranian women dressed very openly and Western when visiting, also confirmed by other people I know. They take full advantage of the freedoms that Armenia has, that they don't have in Iran. And 'half-naked' is an expression, no they are not exposing their breasts in the streets, it's meant to highlight that they dress relatively open and in western style. The fact is, a good amount of Iranian women throw away their headscarf and dress in Western clothes in Armenia and probably any other country that has those freedoms. You really think that many Iranians would come to Armenia, if it didn't have all these freedoms?

[Persopolis]

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@persepolis either you are representative for Iran and Iranians nor is gago-@mos representative for Armenians or Armenia. He is a backward racist from Armenia trying to reinvent himself as a modern open-minded person and you are a muslim with imperialistic daydreams.

Excuse me, whatever Mos is can only be part of the equation -- the fact is that this is a site allows his remarks to flourish (including advocating threatening Iranian women and spitting on others) while it selectively bans others -- there must be some logic behind that.

Second, there are plenty of people on this forum pushing for "Greater Armenia" and Artsakh; however, I have made my position clear as to this "Greater Iran" lie that keeps getting repeated, as my quote below reflects:

Though Mos knows little about Iran apart from the standard Zionist propaganda he constantly spouts off about Iranians -- he wants to propagate that nonsense without the participation of Iranians while pushing a myth that we are going to jump through the computer screen and deprive Armenia of self-rule by creating a "Greater Iran." It's a phony scare tactic typical of the Zionist lobby.

You need to learn to read my quotes for yourself -- Mos is not my spokesperson.

Moreover, he has made it clear what his objective is:

You have no right to even speak on this forum .... God when will these 2 persians leave our forum, and leave it to peace.

... you are a muslim ....

And you expect that attitude to garner mutual respect from Muslims in Iran - good luck at the time of harvest from the seeds you sow.

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Excuse me, whatever Mos is can only be part of the equation -- the fact is that this is a site allows his remarks to flourish (including advocating threatening Iranian women and spitting on others) while it selectively bans others -- there must be some logic behind that.

Show me where I have advocated threatening Iranian women and spitting on them....