Iranian-Armenian relations

[Joseph]

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Vorig is the cute term for butt or ass. Usually used around infants and children.

The U.S. does everything behind closed doors so the sheeple don't have a clue what goes on in their country.

Yikes, I just watched a few seconds of the video. Had not noticed the link before and though maybe the photo was a fake. We should delete that portion of the message.

[Persopolis]

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Yikes, I just watched a few seconds of the video. Had not noticed the link before and though maybe the photo was a fake. We should delete that portion of the message.

I took out the video link to avoiding hurting their feelings. But it seriously surprises me that the followers of Ghengis Khan (Aliyev) are shocked by iranian *hospitality* towards them. On the one hand they glorify a genocidal Mongolian warlord who invaded the Caucuses and subjected ordinary folks to shocking harm - and on the other, they cry human rights.

[Artsakh]

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Iranian state TV carries report of Israeli build-up

Mon May 2, 12:04 pm ET

TEHRAN (Reuters) – Iranian state television ran a report Monday saying Israeli military aircraft were massing at a U.S. air base in Iraq for a strike on Iran.

Israel said it had no knowledge of such a strike plan, as reported on the website of Iran's English-language Press TV, and Iraq's air force commander denied the report. The Pentagon dismissed it as "ridiculous."

Press TV quoted what it said was a source close to the movement of Moqtada al-Sadr, an Iraqi Shi'ite cleric who opposes the U.S. presence in Iraq and has close ties to Iran's leaders.

Washington's ally Israel accuses Tehran of using its declared civilian nuclear reactor program to conceal a plan to develop atomic bombs that would threaten the xxxish state.

Israeli leaders have not ruled out military action against Iran.

However, there has been no recent indication of increased tensions and no other information Monday to corroborate the Iranian television report.

An Israeli army spokeswoman said she had no knowledge of any such report and said the military did not comment on operational matters. Iraqi air force commander Staff Lieutenant General Anwar Ahmed rejected the report as "groundless."

"The al-Asad base (mentioned by Press TV) exists on Iraqi territory. We can never accept launching any military attack against any of the neighboring countries, whether Iran or any other country, from Iraqi lands," he told Reuters.

Colonel Dave Lapan at the Pentagon said there was no truth to the report.

The United States and its Western allies suspect Iran is using its nuclear energy program as a cover to build bombs. Iran denies the allegation, insisting it needs nuclear technology to generate more electricity.

Iran has repeatedly warned that it would strike Israeli nuclear targets if Israel attacked its nuclear activities.

Iran does not recognize Israel, which it calls the "Zionist regime." Israel, believed to be the only nuclear-armed country in the Middle East, bombed Iraq's only nuclear reactor to rubble in 1981 when Saddam Hussein was in power in Baghdad.

(Reporting by Robin Pomeroy in Tehran, Ori Lewis in Jerusalem, Khalid al-Ansary in Baghdad, and Phil Stewart in Washington; writing by Parisa Hafezi; Editing by Andrew Heavens)

[Joseph]

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I took out the video link to avoiding hurting their feelings. But it seriously surprises me that the followers of Ghengis Khan (Aliyev) are shocked by iranian *hospitality* towards them. On the one hand they glorify a genocidal Mongolian warlord who invaded the Caucuses and subjected ordinary folks to shocking harm - and on the other, they cry human rights.

Thank you. I share your sentiments.

[retro]

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What's wrong with the picture? Even the US has laws agains treason and espionage. At least Iran is honest about it.

They don't to my knowledge usually, execute people for treason or espionage in the US. The problem is that when you hang people for 'poltical crimes' that you open up a pandora's box.

Iran's present system of summary trials is open to abuses of power and their is no rule of law in Iran. As it has Islamic Revolutionary Courts are presided over by clerics and it lacks a independent judiciary.

[Mos]

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Good to see some defence cooperation:

03.05.2011
Top Iranian Defense Official Visits Armenia
Emil Danielyan
Iranian Deputy Defense Minister Reza Mozafari Nia discussed military ties between Iran and Armenia during a visit to Yerevan on Tuesday.

Mozafari Nia met with Armenian Defense Minister Seyran Ohanian and his first deputy Davit Tonoyan.

A short statement by the Armenian Defense Ministry said they spoke about “issues related to Armenian-Iranian cooperation in the area of defense.” It did not elaborate.

A ministry source linked the talks with Ohanian’s official visit to Tehran last July. The source told RFE/RL’s Armenian service that they focused on the implementation of Armenian-Iranian agreements reached during that trip.

While in Tehran, Ohanian met with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Defense Minister Ahmad Vahidi and other top Iranian officials. Official Armenian and Iranian sources said that both sides reaffirmed their commitment to strengthening Armenian-Iran ties and stressed their importance for peace in the region.

“Cordial bonds between Iran and Armenia will help maintain peace and stability in the region,” Ohanian said at the time. Few other details of his talks were reported.

Armenian Deputy Defense Minister Ara Nazarian reportedly said late last month that bilateral relations have now reached “the highest level.” He also reaffirmed Yerevan’s positive assessment of Iran’s role in regional security.

“Over the past years, Iran has pursued a conscious and coherent policy in the region,” the IRNA news agency quoted Nazarian as saying at a ceremony organized by the Iranian Embassy in Armenia. The event marked Iran’s National Army Day.

Defense and security has arguably been the least advanced component of Armenia’s warm rapport with Iran, which has centered on economic cooperation and joint energy projects in particular. Still, military cooperation between the two neighboring states has prompted serious concern from the United States on at least one occasion.

According to one of the classified U.S. diplomatic cables disclosed by WikiLeaks last December, Washington accused Armenia of re-exporting weapons to Iran and threatened sanctions against Yerevan in late 2008. In a secret December 2008 letter, then Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte pressed President Serzh Sarkisian to “ensure such transfers do not occur in the future.”

Sarkisian has pursued close ties with Iran throughout his three-year presidency. Visiting Tehran in late March, he described the Armenian-Iranian relationship as “truly exemplary” and called for its expansion.

Relations with the Islamic Republic is a rare matter of national consensus in Armenia, reflecting its unresolved conflict with Azerbaijan over Nagorno-Karabakh and strained relations with another Muslim neighbor, Turkey. With the Armenian-Azerbaijani and Armenian-Turkish borders closed for almost two decades, Iran is one of the landlocked country’s two conduits to the outside world.
«Ազատ Եվրոպա/Ազատություն» ռադիոկայան © 2011
http://www.azatutyun.am/content/article/24090430.html

[Persopolis]

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They don't to my knowledge usually, execute people for treason or espionage in the US.

Not true - US law permits executions for treason and espionage; those laws were recently argued to be strengthened, and they have been enforced by execution. The U.S. practiced chattel slavery and segregation up until very recent history; people at that time engaged in extrajudicial killings (let alone punishment for treason & espionage).

Quick Example:

Ethel Greenglass Rosenberg (September 28, 1915 – June 19, 1953) and Julius Rosenberg (May 12, 1918 – June 19, 1953) were American communists who were executed in 1953 for conspiracy to commit espionage during a time of war. The charges related to passing information about the atomic bomb to the Soviet Union. This was the first execution of civilians for espionage in United States history.[ http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...enbergs_x.htm]

The problem is that when you hang people for 'poltical crimes' that you open up a pandora's box.

Define "political crime" because the US sponsors terror groups that have killed thousands, including PMOI, PJAK, Jundallah, Al Qaeda and many others - the US always frames the capture and execution of these individuals as "human rights violations" to inflate the figures and for propaganda value - I am not suggesting that Iran has never made a mistake in carrying out capital punishment or that I agree with every decision, but what I am suggesting to you is that your statement is simplistic and you will see that the vast majority of cases of politically motivated capital punishment in Iran relate to individuals participating in or aiding and abetting fringe insurgent groups that carry-out random killings against civilians. I'd like to see a serious study as opposed to youtube videos with soft violin music playing in the background that were designed by subversive groups funded by the U.S.

Iran's present system of summary trials is open to abuses of power and their is no rule of law in Iran. As it has Islamic Revolutionary Courts are presided over by clerics and it lacks a independent judiciary.

As a general matter, Iran does not have a widespread and present system of summary trials - when spying, espionage, or treason is concerned those types of hearings are closed door hearings to avoid compromising methods and sources (i.e., you're not going to see it on Oprah). I am not by any means suggesting that this is a perfect system or that it can't be improved, but I am suggesting that as to each case you believe was a summary trial you dig deeper than what is printed in the Western press; and consider that in many of those cases you may have been misled.

Second point: The concept of an independent judiciary is a myth -- take for example the U.S. Judges hold stocks while ruling on commercial disputes and are appointed by showing many years of loyalty to political cronies; state judges (where most trials are held) are elected and subject to the pressures of their constituency. Even in the U.S. Judges bring their religious and personal prejudices into the courtroom, but they are simply prevented from publicly admitting it (which in some ways is worse).

I want you to read a serious case study by Harvard University on Women in United States Prisons Who Are Raped & Get Back To Me On U.S. human rights practices: http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...s13/geer.shtml Bear in mind that the US snuggles up to Saudi Arabia that will execute you just for being Christian - while suppressing information about this "special relationship." If you want to do a serious comparative legal analysis, it will take more than alluding to cases where Iran hangs members of militant Pan-Turkic groups, PJAK, Jundallah (one of Bin Laden's splinter groups); and PMOI (who aided Saddam in poison gas attacks against Iran).

Iran isn't perfect - but it's a far cry from the Boogy-Man the U.S. wants you to believe it is. Specifically in relation to groups like the *Grey Wolves* -- those guys kill people - it was only recently that one of their members took an ax to an Armenian soldier visiting an officers' training school. If they are going to get involved with those types of groups, there will be consequences in Iran. That kind of incitement can lead to serious harm - Iran does not want that crap within its borders. Why aren't these guys going to Mongolia (their purported homeland) instead? The reason is that they serve one function: to destabilize Iran, ethnically cleanse Iran AND Armenia of Armenians and other officially protected groups, and to fulfill their fantasy of a Pan-Turkic superstate. A legal system should have checks-&-balances to avoid prosecution of the innocent - but it is not enough for me to simply call people that knowingly joined these groups as "victims of political crimes."

I hope that gives you some things to think about - but let's bring the subject matter back to Iran/Armenia relations.

[Tigranakert]

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Iranians, probably never having seen a girl before, filming Armenian girls and putting it online:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZYEiLJ9V-s

[Mos]

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Iranians, probably never having seen a girl before, filming Armenian girls and putting it online:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZYEiLJ9V-s

^^^^^ b-oz

[Persopolis]

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Iranians, probably never having seen a girl before, filming Armenian girls and putting it online:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZYEiLJ9V-s

1. Did Iranians 'who have never seen a girl before' film this one and put it online, or do those stereotypes only work in one direction? http://www.videoyan.com/video/34252/...revan--Armenia

2. You do know that the guy who posted that video says in his comments that he's 15 years old, right? Ever look at girls rear-ends when you were 15? A kid posts a video of woman walking in tight pink pants under the heading "perfect A**" -- whose *fault* is it that she's walking in walking in public like that? Obviously, it's usually allowed to take pictures of people walking in public. If she put a basket of fruit on her head and her picture taken in public - whose fault is that?

3. Did you get any sense that he is a Muslim? A j,ew? An Iranian-Armenian?

4. How about a little responsibility for the woman or her father? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJa23...eature=related

5. How about this for an idea: When you have 15 million people watching youtube videos of girls in tight pants - that phenomenon is likely not limited to Iranians, right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k6w1...feature=fvwrel It's likely not limited to 15 year old boys, right?

6. How about this guy -- what inferences can you draw from this?

I'll tell you what: You tell Armenian men not to look at women from other countries; and I'll make sure that kid takes down that video.

But remember: If you use over-broad stereotypes against Iranians -- especially an Iranian man; you're in for a bad day.