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  • lampron
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    Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

    Originally posted by UrMistake View Post
    Next time i will vote for lampron for president , apparently he knows better what is good for armenians , lampron why you dont into some georgian forum and see how they are doing with there western help
    Georgia??? what a strange idea!

    so you agree with what I have said on Iran and Armenia? then why don't you just say so!!

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  • UrMistake
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    Originally posted by lampron View Post
    He (Persepolis) does know a vast amount of history. Non-Armenians sometimes are better informed about Armenians than Armenians themselves!

    Armenians should consider themselves lucky to have a powerful neighbor like Iran as a friend!

    And it is inevitable that some among the Armenian community in Iran mixed with Persians over the centuries
    Next time i will vote for lampron for president , apparently he knows better what is good for armenians , lampron why you dont into some georgian forum and see how they are doing with there western help

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  • lampron
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    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
    They might well arrive that way, but (after what they experience when here, and if they have the same inflated sense of collective Iranian superiority and thin skin that Persepolis had) they will probably leave like Persepolis.
    He (Persepolis) does know a vast amount of history. Non-Armenians sometimes are better informed about Armenians than Armenians themselves!

    Armenians should consider themselves lucky to have a powerful neighbor like Iran as a friend!

    And it is inevitable that some among the Armenian community in Iran mixed with Persians over the centuries

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  • Mos
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    WikiLeaks. «Հայ փորձագետների կարծիքով` Իրանի միջուկային ծրագիրն անկասելի է»

    Բուշեհրի ատոմակայանը Իրանում
    05.07.2011
    Գեւորգ Ստամբոլցյան
    WikiLeaks-ը շարունակում է Հայաստանին վերաբերող նոր փաստաթղթեր գաղտնազերծել: Սկանդալային համբավ ձեռք բերած կայքի հրապարակած հերթական փաստաթուղթը հայ - իրանական հարաբերությունների մանրամասն վերլուծությունն է` պատրաստված Բաքվում Միացյալ Նահանգների դեսպանության աշխատակիցների կողմից:

    Այն, որ փաստաթուղթը պատրաստվել է Բաքվում, պատահական չէ. Հարավային Կովկասում Իրանի մասին տեղեկություններ հավաքող ամերիկացի դիվանագետի նստավայրը հենց Ադրբեջանի մայրաքաղաքն է:

    Ինչպես հաղորդագրության նախաբանում տեղեկացնում է Բաքվում Միացյալ Նահանգների արդեն նախկի դեսպան Էնն Դերսին, Իրանի խնդիրներով զբաղվող իր ենթական Երեւան էր ժամանել 2007 թվականի հոկտեմբերին` հանդիպելով քաղաքական շրջանակների, գործարարների եւ մշակութային գործիչների հետ:

    «Հայ փորձագետները համոզված են, որ Իրանի միջուկային նկրտումներն անկասելի են: Բացի այդ, հայ մասնագետները հանդիպումների ընթացքում համոզմունք են հայտնել, որ Իրանը մեծապես շահարգրգռված է տարածաշրջանային ստատուս քվոյի` մասնավորապես Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի խնդրի շուրջ ներկա կացության պահպանմամբ», - նշված է հաղորդագրության մեջ:

    Դիվանագետները բավական մանրամասն տեղեկություններ են հաղորդում երեւանյան փորձագիտական շրջանակներում տիրող տրամադրությունների մասին:

    «Արտաքին հարաբերություններով զբաղվող փորձագետների եւ գիտնականների շրջանակը համոզված է, որ Միացյալ Նահանգները շատ քիչ բան կարող է անել Իրանի միջուկային ծրագիրը արգելակելու համար: Ազգային անվտանգության նախկին նախարար Դավիթ Շահնազարյանը, որը նաեւ Հայոց համազգային շարժման հիմնադիրներից մեկն է, ամերիկացի դիվանագետների հետ զրույցում ասել է, թե Իրանի տնտեսությունն այնքան թույլ չէ, որ պաշտոնական Թեհրանը ստիպված լինի փոխել իր քաղաքականությունը», - նշված է հաղորդագրության մեջ:

    Ինչ վերաբերում է Միացյալ Նահանգների կողմից հնարավոր ռազմական հարվածներին, ապա դրանք, ըստ հաղորդագրության, Շահնազարյանը բնութագրել է որպես «ոչ խելամիտ քայլ»:

    «Եթե նույնիսկ ԱՄՆ-ը ռազմական հաջողությունների հասնի, ապա դրանց կհետեւեն շատ մեծ քաղաքական խնդիրները», - նշել է հայաստանցի փորձագետը:

    Շահնազարյանը ամերիկացի դիվանագետների հետ զրույցում խոսել է նաեւ հայ - իրանական երկկողմ հարաբերությունների մասին:

    «Իրանի եւ Հայաստանի հարաբերությունները չեն սահմանափակվում միայն առեւտրային կապերով: Գոյություն ունի քաղաքական խնդիրների շուրջ եւ անվտանգության բնագավառում բարձր մակարդակի համագործակցություն», - նշել է Շահնազարյանը` հատուկ ընդգծելով, որ Իրանը չի ցանկանում առաջընթաց տեսնել Ղարաբաղի խնդրի լուծման ճանապարհին, քանի որ դա պաշտոնական Թեհրանին թույլ է տալիս շեղել Ադրբեջանի ուշադրությունը Իրանի հյուսիսում ապրող ադրբեջանցիների խնդիրներից:

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  • Mos
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    Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

    We should have Iran threatening Azerbaijan also:

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  • Federate
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    Armenia, Iran Set For Joint Border Control


    Armenia - The Meghri border crossing with Iran.
    17.06.2011
    Emil Danielyan

    Armenia and Iran plan to jointly manage their sole border crossing in an effort to facilitate travel and transport communication between the two neighboring states, the Armenian government said on Friday.

    The government made the announcement after approving a relevant Armenian-Iranian draft agreement that stresses “the need to elevate the level of good-neighborly bilateral relations.”

    The agreement was submitted to Prime Minister Tigran Sarkisian’s cabinet for approval by Gagik Khachatrian, head of Armenia’s State Revenue Committee (SRC). Officials in Yerevan could not say when it is expected to be signed.

    The 6-page document stipulates that the immigration and customs bodies of the two countries will “provide joint services” at the Meghri-Nourdouz crossing in order to “facilitate international traffic of passenger, cargoes and transport vehicles.”

    In particular, individuals crossing the Armenian-Iranian border, including commercial travelers, would have to fill out customs declarations only in the country of departure. They and their personal belongings, goods and means of transport would be checked only in the country of entry.

    The two sides would have to inform one another about “suspicious goods” transported through Armenian or Iranian territory. Each side would be entitled to promptly receiving from the other information about the origin of such goods and, if applicable, the legality of their import from third countries.

    The agreement also envisages the “simplification and standardization of customs documents” as well as the exchange of information between Armenian and Iranian immigration checkpoints at Meghri-Nourdouz. Nevertheless, passports will continue to be checked on either side of the frontier marked by the Arax river.

    Armenian and Iranian nationals need visas to travel to each other’s country. Successive governments in Yerevan have been reluctant to accept Iranian proposals for a visa-free regime.

    Tehran has also been pressing for the signing of an Armenian-Iranian free trade agreement. The two governments have yet to work out mutually acceptable terms of such a deal, though.

    The plans for joint border control are a further indication of deepening Armenian-Iranian ties. The two governments are due to launch this year more multimillion-dollar commercial projects focused on energy. That includes the planned construction of two large hydro-electric plants on the Armenian-Iranian frontier.

    The draft border agreement was revealed by the Armenian government less than two weeks after a last-minute cancellation of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s visit to Yerevan. A spokesman for Ahmadinejad said that the Armenian side “did not prepare documents” that were due to be signed in Yerevan on June 6.

    President Serzh Sarkisian’s office did not confirm that. It said vaguely that the trip was postponed by “mutual consent” and will take place “at a more convenient time.”

    Some Armenian politicians and pundits attribute the postponement to Iran’s alleged unease over a resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict favored by the West and Russia. Sarkisian and his Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev are due to meet again later this month for what international mediators hope will be decisive talks on Karabakh.

    Armenia and Iran plan to jointly manage their sole border crossing in an effort to facilitate travel and transport communication between the two neighboring states, the Armenian government said on Friday.

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  • Federate
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    I'm rather pleased the cancelation had nothing to do with Armenia...

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  • Mos
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    .....

    Why Ahmadinejad didn’t visit Armenia: sensational causes of cancelled visit




    June 11, 2011 | 01:25
    The visit of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to Armenia on June 6 was abruptly canceled due to Iranian supreme authorities’ decision to ban two members of presidential staff from leaving the country, reported MEMRI BLOG web site with a link to Iranian Fararu web-site.

    Mojtaba Hashemi Samara, senior adviser to Ahmadinejad, said that the visit was postponed for technical reasons, but the issue might also relate to the conflict between Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and Ahmadinejad.

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  • ninetoyadome
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    Another website stated this:

    Iranian Website: Ahmadinejad Visit To Armenia Prevented Due To Ban On Entourage Members
    The Iranian website Fararu said that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's visit to Armenia, set for June 6, had been suddenly cancelled due to Iranian authorities' ban on leaving the country for two members of his entourage.

    Mojtaba Samareh Hashemi,senior advisor to Ahmadinejad, staid that the visit had been postponed for technical reasons, but it is thought that the matter is connected to the rift between Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and Ahmadinejad.

    Source: Iribnews.ir, June 8, 2011; Fararu, Iran, June 6, 2011

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  • Mos
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    ^^^

    we discussed this. It's mostly likely due to the unstable political situation in Iran and the fact that Ahmadinejad is rather unpopular now with the Cleric leaders. Not the best time to be making State visits, though if Ahmadinejad does make a state visit before going to Armenia, than maybe other factors at play. In my view, the "documents not being prepared" seems like an excuse.

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