Iranian-Armenian relations

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Hemshins are often dubbed as the "cousins" of Armenians.

Best way to tell which ethnic group is closest to Armenians is looking at genetics - and Iranians are not the genetic cousins of Armenians.

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml

You must be nuts - Armenians and Iranians have nearly identical DNA in 5 out of the 11 Y-DNA halpogroups measured in the link you sent me. DNA is an area of study I'm familiar with. Moreover, I can tell you that the J2, R1a, and R1b (Y-DNA) haplogroup information you sent a link for is not accurate for several countries (Not that it matters for the sake of our discussion). I actually know one of the people that studied Iranian DNA. Nevertheless, I find it funny that you didn't notice that Armenians and Iranians have very similar Y-DNA distribution. The chart you sent to me proves the opposite of what you intended.

Mos, maybe you're better with pictures:

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[KanadaHye]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

The Genocide issue has become a political one, not a historic one, unfortunately. The resolution has been a means of pressuring Turkey if it was misbehaving. I am not saying Armenian people are pawns.

Please elaborate, how does Israel own Turkey nowadays?

Why do you think the French backed the Turks while Britain backed the Greeks after both France and Britain working together against the Ottoman Empire? Who do you think brought the Kemalist National Assembly to power to make Turkey "more European" and separate it from the Middle East? There is a lot of evidence in the events that occured post WWI to suggest a conspiracy by Zionists.

[haysip]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Yes, georgians and Caucasian Albanians are close to us genetically. There has been a lot of mixing with these two groups since ancient times and many Caucasian Albanians were absorbed by Armenians and over time lost their Caucasian Albanian identity.

there is something called Aryans(indo european). It all started from Armenia... Georgians/albanians are like us because of geography but genetically they have nothing to do with us. They are not indo european people.

[Armanen]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

there is something called Aryans(indo european). It all started from Armenia... Georgians/albanians are like us because of geography but genetically they have nothing to do with us. They are not indo european people.

I know all about IE, PIE homeland theories and I also know that the georgians and Caucasian Albanians are/were non-IE but rather Caucasian peoples. We have intermarried with both though and as I said, we assimilated many Caucasian Albanians within the Armenian fold. So we are connected with both groups because of mixing that has been taking place for over 2500 years. We are also close with the Persians not only because of the IE connection but even after both of us were separate ethnic groups we intermarried, especially our royal families.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

there is something called Aryans(indo european). It all started from Armenia... Georgians/albanians are like us because of geography but genetically they have nothing to do with us. They are not indo european people.

"Nothing" is too strong a word - about half of Georgia was populated by Aryan people for centuries - and half wasn't. Iran-&-Armenia have closer genetic links, but we also have genetic links to the Georgians and Ossetians. It's useful to read about Ossetians on their own web site:

Please see this: http://ossetians.com/eng/news.php?newsid=545

LAST PARAGRAPH OF DR. ORIC BASIROV'S RESEARCH ARTICLE REGARDING OSSETIANS:

By: Dr Oric Basirov
CAIS series of lectures
SOAS, 26/4/2001

OSSETS
Fortunately for us, the Huns could not push all the Alans out of their homeland; their descendants, known as Ossets, are the only Iranians who still live in Europe; they call their country "Iron", which is a variation of Alan, Iran, as well as Eran. Eran was the name of the Iranian Transcaucasia before it was lost to the Russians in the 19th century and subsequently renamed Azarbaijan.

Ossets are mostly Christian, speaking Ossetic, or as they themselves call it "Ironig", or "Ironski", which is classified as an Eastern Iranian language. Ossetic maintains on the one hand, some remarkable features of the Gathic Avestan, and possesses on the other, a number of words, such as, thau (tauen, to thaw, as in snow) and gau (region, district) which are remarkably similar to their modern Germanic equivalents.

This modern Iranian nation, still provides a physical link between the Indo-Europeans of the East, and those of the West, that is, most people of Europe; such a romantic link, it will be remembered, had already been established thousands of years ago by their blond and blue-eyed ancestors.

[haysip]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

first, Georgians and "caucasian" albanians are not ehtnic caucasian. they migrated to the Caucuses in the times of Argishti(if i am not mistaken).
second, I am not sure where u got the intermerrage from but in the old times intermarragies were very uncommon. Especially with Armenians. I read somewhere that said that in old Armenia, everytime an Armenian intermarried, a bad punishment was done...

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

@ Mos

The Hemshinli constitute a truly fascinating phenomenon. They have preserved, centuries after their conversion to Islam, a sense of identity distinct from that of their neighbours, as well as, for part of them, their spoken Armenian dialect Homshetsma. Below is a Harvard University article and study on Hemshinli - Do a keyword search on the word "Iran" within that document.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document...doc_id=3761664

[Armanen]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

first, Georgians and "caucasian" albanians are not ehtnic caucasian. they migrated to the Caucuses in the times of Argishti(if i am not mistaken).
second, I am not sure where u got the intermerrage from but in the old times intermarragies were very uncommon. Especially with Armenians. I read somewhere that said that in old Armenia, everytime an Armenian intermarried, a bad punishment was done...

Even if the georgians migrated to their current location, we still intermarried with them. I didn't mean to imply that intermarriage and mixing happened on a mass scale with the georgians, but it did occur enough for us to be able to see genetic links between Armenians and georgians. Armenians are a mix of Aryan and Caucasian tribes that formed the Armenian nation some 3500-4000 years ago.

[haysip]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

"Nothing" is too strong a word - about half of Georgia was populated by Aryan people for centuries - and half wasn't. Iran-&-Armenia have closer genetic links, but we also have genetic links to the Georgians and Ossetians. It's useful to read about Ossetians on their own web site:

more than half of Georgia has always been populated by Aryan Armenians. I remember reading about Georgia and that there are less than 1 million georgians living in Georgia today...

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[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Now when we have independent state and struggle for the economic independence; I think Iran’s contribution in our economic wellbeing is truly substantial; therefore in terms of economic interests, as opposed to Russia; Iran is our best ally, currently.

One can infer this just reading concurrent facts.

Economics or not - We love you. Don't forget it.