Iranian-Armenian relations

[Vrej1915]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Իրանի դեսպանի սենսացիոն ակնարկը

ՆԱԻՐԱ ՀԱՅՐՈՒՄՅԱՆ, Մեկնաբան
Քաղաքականություն - 24 Հուլիսի 2015,

Իրանի դեմ պատժամիջոցների վերացումը կանդրադառնա հարեւանների, այդ թվում, Հայաստանի հետ հարաբերությունների վրա: Այս մասին հայտարարել է Հայաստանում Իրանի դեսպան Մոհամեդ Ռեիսին: Նրա խոսքով, Հայաստանը կարող է միջանցք լինել Պարսից ծոցի եւ Սեւ ծովի միջեւ:
Դրանից հետո հայ լրագրողները տվել են «ավանդական» հարցն այն մասին, թե արդյոք Հայաստանը կարող է Իրանը կապել Եվրասիական միությանը: Ի պատասխան՝ Իրանի դեսպանը հայ լրագրողներին ու Իրանի հետ հարաբերություններում եվրասիական բլեֆներն առաջ տանողներին մեղմորեն ցույց է տվել իրականությունը:

Իրանցի դիվանագետը հիշեցրել է, որ ԵՏՄ մի շարք երկրների հետ Իրանն ընդհանուր ցամաքային ու ծովային սահմաններ ունի: Նրա խոսքով, եթե Թեհրանը ԵՏՄ հետ կարողանա արտոնյալ սակագների մասին համաձայնության գալ, դա կարող է կարեւոր նշանակություն ունենալ հարաբերությունների համար:

Դիվանագիտական լեզվով դա նշանակում է, որ դեսպանն այլեւս չի պատասխանելու անիմաստ հարցերին: Ժամանակին նա Հայաստանին լուրջ ու շահավետ համագործակցություն է առաջարկել՝ ընդհուպ մինչեւ 100 դոլարով գազ: Սակայն Հայաստանի իշխանությունը պնդում է, որ ռուսական գազի դիմաց վճարվող 400 դոլարն ավելի էժան է, քան 100 դոլարանոց իրանական գազը:

Հիմա մյուս բլեֆն են միացրել՝ Հայաստանն իբր կարող է Իրանը կապել Եվրասիական միությանը: Առաջին հերթին, Հայաստանն ընդհանուր սահման չունի ԵՏՄ հետ, երկրորդ, ինչպես դեսպանն է ասում, եթե Իրանը ցանկանա կապվել ԵՏՄ հետ, ապա դա կանի Կասպից ծովով, որով սահմանակից է Ռուսաստանին ու Ղազախստանին: Ձեզ պահեք ձեր ԵՏՄ-ն,- փաստացի ասում է դեսպանը,- լուրջ նախագծերի անցնելու ժամանակն է:
Սակայն Հայաստանը երեւի ընդունակ չէ արձագանքել լուրջ առաջարկներին եւ կառչել է բլեֆից, միայն թե այն ռուսական լինի:

- See more at: http://www.lragir.am/index/arm/0/pol....wSd9BTNR.dpuf

[Mher]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

I am sad I am too old for such things.

However when my daughter found out about this project http://www.birthrightarmenia.org/en/ she left a very good job to be able to participate.

When she came back she couldn't stop talking about it.

She will be visiting Armenia for the third time also with friends she made through this project.



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I'm late responding, but very great to hear.

[Eddo211]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Iranian Azeris are no threat......the threat are Turkic Azeris.

We do have a badass police force.....better equipped than some of our military SFs.

[Mher]

Re: Armenia-Iran relations.

Yes to the first two questions, they would register who goes in to your country at crossings/airport. They just won't need to pay for a visa. For the time limit, it depends on the agreement reached. Some agreements are for a month, others 3 months, some for a year etc. The mechanism for chasing people who overstay will be the same mechanism used to chase people who overstay on expired visas. Nothing is changing except that they won't need to pay for a visa. Armenia has a visa on arrival plan with Iran where Iranians get a visa as soon as they arrive at border crossings/airport. Not needing to pay for a visa goes a long way for Iranians who are not as rich as Europeans/Americans who can easily afford the visa fee (yet don't need to anymore since travel for them is visa-free already). It's an extra incentive for them to visit Armenia and deposit their cash in our economy. You can see why this would be very beneficial for places near the Iranian border like Meghri that are reportedly operating casinos (illegal in Iran) with the Iranian market in mind.

As for security concerns, they will remain the same whether visa-free or visa on arrival. If Azerbaijan were to send spies using Azari minority in Iran, I am sure they'd give them enough money to simply pay for the visa and gain access so it won't really change anything in this aspect.

It's great news given the fact that the benefits are rather one sided as Fed said, this isn't gonna convince any Armenians to now go into Iran, but its going to be a boost the other way around. But I do agree with Londontsi, I do hope that there is the mechanism to handle any rise in tourism. Iran right now is not an attractive place to live, with the recent economic problems joining the longtime social/political problems. Armenia needs to be able to handle any rise in Iranians, and specially Azeri Iranians, and make sure its capable of having these people leave just as they come in. With a population 30 times ours, its not going to take any dramatic wave for these people to gain a significant foothold in Armenia.

[Eddo211]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

This is great.....Iran has good intentions and this makes things easier and better communication Tehran-Yerevan. This move will make our enemies butt hurt bad emergency room.

I always been for better relations with Iran and Iran wants Armenia to have other choices. I believe no one is a better choice than Armenia to better the relations of Iran with Russia. Good relations between these two countries will be to the benefit of Armenia.

At the same time I think Armenia is a good choice again to better relations between Russia and the West.

[Federate]

Re: Armenia-Iran relations.

I am assuming it will be enough to show an Iranian passport to access through custom.
Will there be a register as to who goes in and who goes out of the country.
Will there be time limit per entry into the country.
What mechanism for chasing people who overstay.

Security concerns, Azerbaijan has sympathizer in Iran.
Do we have resources to counter any eventuality?

Say we have 50,000 – 100,000 tourists / visitors.
As tourists that's fine. How does one track the (potential) undesirables.

Yes to the first two questions, they would register who goes in to your country at crossings/airport. They just won't need to pay for a visa. For the time limit, it depends on the agreement reached. Some agreements are for a month, others 3 months, some for a year etc. The mechanism for chasing people who overstay will be the same mechanism used to chase people who overstay on expired visas. Nothing is changing except that they won't need to pay for a visa. Armenia has a visa on arrival plan with Iran where Iranians get a visa as soon as they arrive at border crossings/airport. Not needing to pay for a visa goes a long way for Iranians who are not as rich as Europeans/Americans who can easily afford the visa fee (yet don't need to anymore since travel for them is visa-free already). It's an extra incentive for them to visit Armenia and deposit their cash in our economy. You can see why this would be very beneficial for places near the Iranian border like Meghri that are reportedly operating casinos (illegal in Iran) with the Iranian market in mind.

As for security concerns, they will remain the same whether visa-free or visa on arrival. If Azerbaijan were to send spies using Azari minority in Iran, I am sure they'd give them enough money to simply pay for the visa and gain access so it won't really change anything in this aspect.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenia-Iran relations.

Removal of visas for Iranian citizens would almost certainly boost tourism, especially for Iranians who want to pass by Meghri simply for the casinos. Armenia stands to gain much more than Iran by the mutual removal of visas yet year after year it's Iran and not Armenia that calls for this.

I am assuming it will be enough to show an Iranian passport to access through custom.
Will there be a register as to who goes in and who goes out of the country.
Will there be time limit per entry into the country.
What mechanism for chasing people who overstay.

Security concerns, Azerbaijan has sympathizer in Iran.
Do we have resources to counter any eventuality?

Say we have 50,000 – 100,000 tourists / visitors.
As tourists that's fine. How does one track the (potential) undesirables.

PS The UK has approx 500,000 illegals.
Nobody known who they are and where they are.
I am sure similar issues exist in the US.

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[Federate]

Re: Armenia-Iran relations.

Removal of visas for Iranian citizens would almost certainly boost tourism, especially for Iranians who want to pass by Meghri simply for the casinos. Armenia stands to gain much more than Iran by the mutual removal of visas yet year after year it's Iran and not Armenia that calls for this.

[Haykakan]

Armenia-Iran relations.

I think we need this thread due to rapidly developing relations.

IRAN, ARMENIA TAKE MAJOR STEP TOWARD VISA-FREE TRAVEL

10:16, 10 Jun 2015
Siranush Ghazanchyan

Iran and Armenia on Tuesday took a big step toward lifting visa
requirements for travelers from tencyhe two countries with the signing
of a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) on consular affairs, Tansim
News agency reports.

The MoU was signed at the end of the 10th session of Iran-Armenia
joint consular meeting held in Tehran between the heads of the consular
departments of the foreign ministries of the two neighboring countries,
Ali Chegeni and Vladimir Karmirshalyan.

During the two-day meeting, the two diplomats exchanged views about
ways to promote Tehran-Yerevan relations in diverse areas.

The extradition of criminals, providing legal aid, increasing
facilities for merchants, investors, tourists, students and artists
were among other issues raised in the session.

Earlier in a Monday meeting with Iran's Deputy Foreign Minister for
Consular, Parliamentary and Expatriates' Affairs Hassan Qashqavi
in Tehran, Karmirshalyan had voiced his country's determination to
further develop cooperation with the Islamic Republic in various areas.

http://www.tasnimnews.com/english/Home/Single/764773

http://www.armradio.am/en/2015/06/10/iran-armenia-take-major-step-toward-visa-free-travel/

[Gevz]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

lol...